the great thing for us is we have him locked up for 4 years in his prime. Kudos to Leon.

Knixkik wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I mean he's 26 years old and more of a guy that fits a contender as an elite shooter/role player. So I'm not sure he's a guy rebuilding teams would want that badly anyway. I think a team that is rebuilding would prefer picks.

the great thing for us is we have him locked up for 4 years in his prime. Kudos to Leon.

Rebuilding teams would want him as an asset to flip. But outside of that, I’m thinking specifically cleveland who would want him in any Mitchell deal. They can convince themselves that Garland, DDV, Strus, Mobley and Allen plus all of the picks they can get back for the next deal is still a playoff team. They would 100% want him and suddenly we would have to pause on that and really think about if it’s worth it, as opposed to just beefing up the bench and going for it as is.

if they flip him it would be for a pick which was my point...lol. they'd want our picks more than DDV. So why not skip the middle man?

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:Maybe not the right thread but How is GSW so bad this year?

No DDV

Has to be the reason.

too many miles on their collective bodies. Kerr has been great- but maybe they need a new voice. It's hard to be that hungry every game, year in, year out.

DDV had a great year there. The Draymond thing, Klay on decline, KUminga maturity taking longer, and Wiggins is not all in mentally for personal reasons. The picks have not panned out as hoped. Ownership wanted a transitional rebuild and Myers could not deliver it. Not easy to dismantle a championship team. Money and father time changes things. They could not afford to resign DDV even for what we paid.

I just think they got old quick and they haven't gotten good value in the draft. that, and Dray is a peckerhead

Knixkik wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I mean he's 26 years old and more of a guy that fits a contender as an elite shooter/role player. So I'm not sure he's a guy rebuilding teams would want that badly anyway. I think a team that is rebuilding would prefer picks.

the great thing for us is we have him locked up for 4 years in his prime. Kudos to Leon.

Rebuilding teams would want him as an asset to flip. But outside of that, I’m thinking specifically cleveland who would want him in any Mitchell deal. They can convince themselves that Garland, DDV, Strus, Mobley and Allen plus all of the picks they can get back for the next deal is still a playoff team. They would 100% want him and suddenly we would have to pause on that and really think about if it’s worth it, as opposed to just beefing up the bench and going for it as is.

if they flip him it would be for a pick which was my point...lol. they'd want our picks more than DDV. So why not skip the middle man?

Because another team would want both. All of the picks and DDV. And cleveland wouldn’t flip him. They would want him as a plug and play starter. Another team that is rebuilding would want him as an asset to move for more picks. DDV probably has the value of 2 firsts with his contract.

CLE would clearly want him in a Mitchell deal. Probably over Grimes at this point. But Mitchell deal seems lightyears away right now so not worth worrying about that. I think our next course is a tweak to the bench and seeing where the chips fall in the playoffs with this team.

ultimately if CLE wanted him then you gotta do that trade to get DM. DDV's role here would be greatly reduced anyway if we had DM.

But that's an interesting development is that DDV + Grimes + 2-3 picks could be a good offer for DM at this point.

Knixkik wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:CLE is a team that would want him, but most teams trading a star are rebuilding and want picks.

ultimately if CLE wanted him then you gotta do that trade to get DM. DDV's role here would be greatly reduced anyway if we had DM.

But that's an interesting development is that DDV + Grimes + 2-3 picks could be a good offer for DM at this point.

DDV wouldn’t start anymore but I bet he would still see all of the minutes he can handle off the bench if we held onto him.

for sure, but with Brunson and DM you're talking 70MPG out of the 96 minutes available at guard.

So you're talking 26mpg at best, I think Miles + Rokas or whoever else could handle those just fine. Can't pass up a guy like DM. the ultimate scenario was always DM + OG.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:DDV was the best player on that Villinova team. THat his NBA career has not looked like this until now is one of mystery.
I get the ACL derailed him a bit but the streaky thing we saw to start the season was his thing. Other than a little soft going to the rim this kid looks amazing. Love that he is trying to up that and attempt the dunks. Thibs dont mind when players do that. The get to the line or our guys get offnesive rebounds.

Is he “untouchable”? At this level of play he is a massive trade chip if need be for a big fish.
With three starters out he is “Next manning up” so its wonderful.

The massive trade chip for a star is what concerns me. How good does that player have to be to break up the Villanova boys, which collectively have become the culture change in this team? I don’t know if D Mitchell does it. It has to be Doncic, Embiid, Giannis level, and those players are unlikely to shake free. If Mitchell wants out, Cavs will see DDV as the ideal SG alongside Garland. Trading DDV the player in this hypothetical trade makes sense. But we know this goes beyond just his play.

Not gonna need to. Its only a matter of time for Mikal to force his way here. My guess is this coming offseason is when he tells the agent to make the play.

There is no way he doesn't want to be apart of what's going on here with all his boys together having the time of their lives. Witnessed first hand that the Nets are second fiddle and he is being left behind while his boys live it up. With dreams of winning the NBA chip together as they won the National Championship together.

Nets don't have the assets to build anything around Mikal by the time he becomes a FA. Trading him to the Knicks an collecting the draft capital and using the cap space for a DLO, Miles, Wagner combination. Will have them in a better overall space than tryna force it with Mikal.

+1000000000000000000000000000

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Panos wrote:Maybe not the right thread but How is GSW so bad this year?

No DDV

Has to be the reason.

You can go to statmuse and input the shot charts for several teams (GS, Celtics, Knicks) etc. across multiple seasons. Link below to 2015. Put in 16, 17, 18... 23. They are making less shots and have less advantage over the rest of the league in efficiency.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/golden-state-warriors-shot-chart-2015

Now, if you track the other teams. Like NYK. Check 2015 vs 2024.

2015. Note the big light blue balls of ineffeciency in the 18-20 range

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-shot-chart-2015

2024. Note the little dots where we take last second off balance shots.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-shot-chart-2024

Now for the coup de grace. This is the best team in basketball. Frame this. Its magical. We are playing monster defense AND playing highly efficient offense.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/knicks-shot-chart-last-15-games

Add in that other teams are ALSO playing defense (AND GSW ISNT) and the competitive advantage of GSW is gone. We are all playing the same game now. But some of us also play defense.

I like my answer better

I agree with your answer as well, in the more general sense. Teams are star****ing and ignore the grit, glue and hustle players. They are padding the money stats (Points, Rebounds and Assists) without getting the hustle stats - deflections, loose ball recoveries, screen assists, charges drawn and box outs. Knick's front office are pounding the hustle stats in their trade and FA targets. They are also targeting real chemistry guys. Which is easy cause hustle stat players are generally team players. Cause you are doing it for the team despite the fact that the monetary compensation may not come with it. So, the Bucks giving up Grayson Allen actually makes them worse. Miami losing Max Strus is a real loss. GSW losing DDV is a real loss.

martin wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:DDV was the best player on that Villinova team. THat his NBA career has not looked like this until now is one of mystery.
I get the ACL derailed him a bit but the streaky thing we saw to start the season was his thing. Other than a little soft going to the rim this kid looks amazing. Love that he is trying to up that and attempt the dunks. Thibs dont mind when players do that. The get to the line or our guys get offnesive rebounds.

Is he “untouchable”? At this level of play he is a massive trade chip if need be for a big fish.
With three starters out he is “Next manning up” so its wonderful.

The massive trade chip for a star is what concerns me. How good does that player have to be to break up the Villanova boys, which collectively have become the culture change in this team? I don’t know if D Mitchell does it. It has to be Doncic, Embiid, Giannis level, and those players are unlikely to shake free. If Mitchell wants out, Cavs will see DDV as the ideal SG alongside Garland. Trading DDV the player in this hypothetical trade makes sense. But we know this goes beyond just his play.

Not gonna need to. Its only a matter of time for Mikal to force his way here. My guess is this coming offseason is when he tells the agent to make the play.

There is no way he doesn't want to be apart of what's going on here with all his boys together having the time of their lives. Witnessed first hand that the Nets are second fiddle and he is being left behind while his boys live it up. With dreams of winning the NBA chip together as they won the National Championship together.

Nets don't have the assets to build anything around Mikal by the time he becomes a FA. Trading him to the Knicks an collecting the draft capital and using the cap space for a DLO, Miles, Wagner combination. Will have them in a better overall space than tryna force it with Mikal.

+1000000000000000000000000000

Mikal would be amazing. Not sure what leverage he has though to demand out and specifically to the Knicks. He would probably need to be closer to the end of his deal right ?