VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Good job taking care of business without Brunson. I was a little worried being down 4 at halftime but kudos to the team for stepping up. Deuce played really well in his first start. He's honestly soften the blow losing IQ. I'm getting to a point where I kind of don't want to trade for a vet. Let Deuce continue to play and grow. And Hartenstein with another 20 rebound and 4 blocks game. Insane how well he's played filling in for Rob!

And congrats to Thibs on 500 wins. That's a huge accomplishment in an era where most coaches don't last. Thibs is not perfect and he does things I don't like or agree with - like playing Deuce and Hartenstein the entire second half last night - but overall he's done a very good job of establishing the culture and winning. To make the playoffs 3 out of 4 years seemed like an impossible task before he got here.

I have been a McBride backer from draft but even I have to admit we need a vet that can create for himself/others. The turnovers this game alone is proof of that While McBrides shot is going we good but I am not yet ready to trust he can constantly breakdown a defense and we will need that in the playoffs.

Trust today and tomorrow versus allowing a player to develop into that trust.

Hard balance

I think the player that we have to decide on developing or not isnt Deuce, but Grimes. Grimes is moving down the pecking order. He has to slow down offensively and be more than a spot up shooter in his bench role.

At this point if you could trade Fournier and Grimes for Brogdon that sound like a no brainer. I think you could still develop Deuce, but Brogdon is a secondary creator and better shooter than Grimes. He brings everything think Quickley did in his role here with more size. I still think Deuce plays a role in the rotation even if he we make that trade.

Grimes is better than this. I know he can drive and dish and has better instincts, but he seems ton just be pressing too hard and playing too fast. He needs to slow down and make better decisions.

I’ve concluded that Grimes is a basket case of nerves who in 2-3 years has rarely shown the ability to find good/easy shots —- everything is under pressure and he hasn’t developed any area (like RJ) where you can see the improvement. He plays scared, takes tough shots, passes up good looks to go crashing to the basket or telegraph a pass. I think he’s going for an alternative player.

Good kid, root for him but again this is the same player we saw as a rookie - he is who he’s shown us he is (up and down with potential to disappear).

Alpha1971 wrote:

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Good job taking care of business without Brunson. I was a little worried being down 4 at halftime but kudos to the team for stepping up. Deuce played really well in his first start. He's honestly soften the blow losing IQ. I'm getting to a point where I kind of don't want to trade for a vet. Let Deuce continue to play and grow. And Hartenstein with another 20 rebound and 4 blocks game. Insane how well he's played filling in for Rob!

And congrats to Thibs on 500 wins. That's a huge accomplishment in an era where most coaches don't last. Thibs is not perfect and he does things I don't like or agree with - like playing Deuce and Hartenstein the entire second half last night - but overall he's done a very good job of establishing the culture and winning. To make the playoffs 3 out of 4 years seemed like an impossible task before he got here.

I have been a McBride backer from draft but even I have to admit we need a vet that can create for himself/others. The turnovers this game alone is proof of that While McBrides shot is going we good but I am not yet ready to trust he can constantly breakdown a defense and we will need that in the playoffs.

Trust today and tomorrow versus allowing a player to develop into that trust.

Hard balance

I think the player that we have to decide on developing or not isnt Deuce, but Grimes. Grimes is moving down the pecking order. He has to slow down offensively and be more than a spot up shooter in his bench role.

At this point if you could trade Fournier and Grimes for Brogdon that sound like a no brainer. I think you could still develop Deuce, but Brogdon is a secondary creator and better shooter than Grimes. He brings everything think Quickley did in his role here with more size. I still think Deuce plays a role in the rotation even if he we make that trade.

Grimes is better than this. I know he can drive and dish and has better instincts, but he seems ton just be pressing too hard and playing too fast. He needs to slow down and make better decisions.

Indeed about Deuce. If Deuce is a 3 pt shooter he may be more valuable then Grimes. Deuce can disrupt the point of attack and if we have a ball handler with height like Brogdon or Clarkson Deuce guards the opposing ball handler and the bigger guard defense the opposing off guard. I like Grimes and if we can keep him, I'd celebrate. But Grimes and his skill set can be replaced in the off season.

Deuce has shown far more development vs Grimes and Deuce can find shots in mid range that I’d trust he can make - Grimes is like a roll of the dice and I’m losing trust with him. His 2 big games were in monumental blowouts.

LivingLegend wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Good job taking care of business without Brunson. I was a little worried being down 4 at halftime but kudos to the team for stepping up. Deuce played really well in his first start. He's honestly soften the blow losing IQ. I'm getting to a point where I kind of don't want to trade for a vet. Let Deuce continue to play and grow. And Hartenstein with another 20 rebound and 4 blocks game. Insane how well he's played filling in for Rob!

And congrats to Thibs on 500 wins. That's a huge accomplishment in an era where most coaches don't last. Thibs is not perfect and he does things I don't like or agree with - like playing Deuce and Hartenstein the entire second half last night - but overall he's done a very good job of establishing the culture and winning. To make the playoffs 3 out of 4 years seemed like an impossible task before he got here.

I have been a McBride backer from draft but even I have to admit we need a vet that can create for himself/others. The turnovers this game alone is proof of that While McBrides shot is going we good but I am not yet ready to trust he can constantly breakdown a defense and we will need that in the playoffs.

Trust today and tomorrow versus allowing a player to develop into that trust.

Hard balance

I think the player that we have to decide on developing or not isnt Deuce, but Grimes. Grimes is moving down the pecking order. He has to slow down offensively and be more than a spot up shooter in his bench role.

At this point if you could trade Fournier and Grimes for Brogdon that sound like a no brainer. I think you could still develop Deuce, but Brogdon is a secondary creator and better shooter than Grimes. He brings everything think Quickley did in his role here with more size. I still think Deuce plays a role in the rotation even if he we make that trade.

Grimes is better than this. I know he can drive and dish and has better instincts, but he seems ton just be pressing too hard and playing too fast. He needs to slow down and make better decisions.

Indeed about Deuce. If Deuce is a 3 pt shooter he may be more valuable then Grimes. Deuce can disrupt the point of attack and if we have a ball handler with height like Brogdon or Clarkson Deuce guards the opposing ball handler and the bigger guard defense the opposing off guard. I like Grimes and if we can keep him, I'd celebrate. But Grimes and his skill set can be replaced in the off season.

Deuce has shown far more development vs Grimes and Deuce can find shots in mid range that I’d trust he can make - Grimes is like a roll of the dice and I’m losing trust with him. His 2 big games were in monumental blowouts.

This was Deuce first start… against a GLeague team?

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Good job taking care of business without Brunson. I was a little worried being down 4 at halftime but kudos to the team for stepping up. Deuce played really well in his first start. He's honestly soften the blow losing IQ. I'm getting to a point where I kind of don't want to trade for a vet. Let Deuce continue to play and grow. And Hartenstein with another 20 rebound and 4 blocks game. Insane how well he's played filling in for Rob!

And congrats to Thibs on 500 wins. That's a huge accomplishment in an era where most coaches don't last. Thibs is not perfect and he does things I don't like or agree with - like playing Deuce and Hartenstein the entire second half last night - but overall he's done a very good job of establishing the culture and winning. To make the playoffs 3 out of 4 years seemed like an impossible task before he got here.

I have been a McBride backer from draft but even I have to admit we need a vet that can create for himself/others. The turnovers this game alone is proof of that While McBrides shot is going we good but I am not yet ready to trust he can constantly breakdown a defense and we will need that in the playoffs.

Trust today and tomorrow versus allowing a player to develop into that trust.

Hard balance

I think the player that we have to decide on developing or not isnt Deuce, but Grimes. Grimes is moving down the pecking order. He has to slow down offensively and be more than a spot up shooter in his bench role.

At this point if you could trade Fournier and Grimes for Brogdon that sound like a no brainer. I think you could still develop Deuce, but Brogdon is a secondary creator and better shooter than Grimes. He brings everything think Quickley did in his role here with more size. I still think Deuce plays a role in the rotation even if he we make that trade.

Grimes is better than this. I know he can drive and dish and has better instincts, but he seems ton just be pressing too hard and playing too fast. He needs to slow down and make better decisions.

Indeed about Deuce. If Deuce is a 3 pt shooter he may be more valuable then Grimes. Deuce can disrupt the point of attack and if we have a ball handler with height like Brogdon or Clarkson Deuce guards the opposing ball handler and the bigger guard defense the opposing off guard. I like Grimes and if we can keep him, I'd celebrate. But Grimes and his skill set can be replaced in the off season.

Deuce has shown far more development vs Grimes and Deuce can find shots in mid range that I’d trust he can make - Grimes is like a roll of the dice and I’m losing trust with him. His 2 big games were in monumental blowouts.

This was Deuce first start… against a GLeague team?

I’m talking about in the minutes we’ve given him he has continued to show growth (not last night specifically) - talking about how he has started to manipulate the dribble some (navigate screens, get guys on his back). He’s not great at anything offensively but you see little things of how he’s trying to manipulate space.

For me when Deuce shoots I expect it to go in - with Grimes I’m hoping it’s not an airball - now that may defy the shooting % but it’s a reflection on the confidence each player plays with. Deuce has some swag and Grimes seems scared - I don’t think that feeling is going to go away watching these 2.

LivingLegend wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

VDesai wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Good job taking care of business without Brunson. I was a little worried being down 4 at halftime but kudos to the team for stepping up. Deuce played really well in his first start. He's honestly soften the blow losing IQ. I'm getting to a point where I kind of don't want to trade for a vet. Let Deuce continue to play and grow. And Hartenstein with another 20 rebound and 4 blocks game. Insane how well he's played filling in for Rob!

And congrats to Thibs on 500 wins. That's a huge accomplishment in an era where most coaches don't last. Thibs is not perfect and he does things I don't like or agree with - like playing Deuce and Hartenstein the entire second half last night - but overall he's done a very good job of establishing the culture and winning. To make the playoffs 3 out of 4 years seemed like an impossible task before he got here.

I have been a McBride backer from draft but even I have to admit we need a vet that can create for himself/others. The turnovers this game alone is proof of that While McBrides shot is going we good but I am not yet ready to trust he can constantly breakdown a defense and we will need that in the playoffs.

Trust today and tomorrow versus allowing a player to develop into that trust.

Hard balance

I think the player that we have to decide on developing or not isnt Deuce, but Grimes. Grimes is moving down the pecking order. He has to slow down offensively and be more than a spot up shooter in his bench role.

At this point if you could trade Fournier and Grimes for Brogdon that sound like a no brainer. I think you could still develop Deuce, but Brogdon is a secondary creator and better shooter than Grimes. He brings everything think Quickley did in his role here with more size. I still think Deuce plays a role in the rotation even if he we make that trade.

Grimes is better than this. I know he can drive and dish and has better instincts, but he seems ton just be pressing too hard and playing too fast. He needs to slow down and make better decisions.

Indeed about Deuce. If Deuce is a 3 pt shooter he may be more valuable then Grimes. Deuce can disrupt the point of attack and if we have a ball handler with height like Brogdon or Clarkson Deuce guards the opposing ball handler and the bigger guard defense the opposing off guard. I like Grimes and if we can keep him, I'd celebrate. But Grimes and his skill set can be replaced in the off season.

[b]Deuce has shown far more development vs Grimes [b/]and Deuce can find shots in mid range that I’d trust he can make - Grimes is like a roll of the dice and I’m losing trust with him. His 2 big games were in monumental blowouts.

All this after one game against a Memphis backcourt consisting of backups.

Tell me you don’t watch NBA games without telling me you don’t watch NBA games