But I like what Thibs said. If we are winning and the only gripe is about the second unit then it’s a good day. I like how Thibs is giving deuce some time to shine. He has to show his value with this opportunity. He’s probably killing in practice as a two way guard. But only playing 8 or less mins is not an endorsement of confidence for Thibs.

So get someone in here Thibs trust with the ball. Brogdon has always been my favorite option. But how realistic is that? Who we giving up to get him? And why would they agree to trade him?

LivingLegend wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:The game where reality truly hit. iHart probably ain't gonna be hear next year. 😢

Why not Mitch instead if you are only keeping 1? Asking for a friend.

Both are great at what they do. One is injury prone and not as well-rounded skill wise.

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:Can you imagine Mitch back and Murray off bench?

Fournier and all the picks for Murray.

Then you done.

Murray ain't coming here to come off the bench 1) he's better than every guard we got not named Jalen and 2) he probably like it as much as Julius or Jalen would like going to the bench.

Now - would he play with the bench guys (YES) but I say he'd start almost certainly. Of course I'm usually wrong 95% of the time.

Maybe wrong about Demar not being someone who would make us better.. Despite his minus yesterday. Which I feel is not a fair gripe. See him as this years Jimmy Buckets for the playoff team that trades for him.

Agree about Murray. He is not coming here to be a backup. As much as I want Devo to play 40 minutes a night, Murray at the 2 and Devo off the bench may be what we need.

LivingLegend wrote:

JesseDark wrote:Nice win, a little concerned about McBride, he hasn't found his stride yet as a leader of the 2nd unit.

A big issue for a PG is if the D doesn't believe you will go by them and all the way to the rack - Deuce won't, he knows it, they know it and we know it.

So D brings heavy ball pressure and the kid basically does a bunch of dribbling near half court.

I love Deuce but I love him a bit more off the ball because not much happens when he is pounding it going nowhere.

Some think I don't like Deuce, my problem with him is what you just stated. Been playing this game a long time and have seen elite players. Many who just could not take that next step despite their talent. As good as he is, Mcbribe has yet to show the ability to separate against NBA level defenders. He also does not have the dog in him to make it at the top level. Will to score. Kid can play defense and is a great kid, but other than in G League(many who have done it there) he has not shown the confidence to be a solid rotation player.

Waiting to see Flynn in there. Watched a lot of Raptor games and the kid can ball. Just never got those consistent minutes. Hopefully he can help the second unit. Or hopefully Deuce gets it going with more consistent minutes.

The disappointment here is Grimes, who has had plenty of floor time and has the talent. He has a good shot, a good first step and a decent handle. He was a scorer in college so where is it right now? He needs to be more than Reggie Bullock.

But I will continue to ask - if you are gonna have Anunoby OR McBride out there - why can't you put Fournier on the floor? The issue is defense, but when you have that kind of defender next to him, I think you can hide him on a lesser wing and it gives you someone who is a legit double digit NBA scorer on the floor.

VDesai wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

franco12 wrote:Chicago played yesterday. It caught up with them in the 2nd half, especially the 4th quarter. Not taking anything away from the Knicks, but should not have been this close for this long.

They shot above their pay grade in first half. This would have been a laugher if they shot it at usual click. .

NBA is a game of runs, best to save our clamp down D and good shooting for the final 8 mins and that's what we did. Lots of turnovers in the first half otherwise we we would have gotten up double digits. The bench unit of Randle-Achiuwa-Hart-Grimes-Deuce was a catastrophic failure - need to insert DDV (or Fournier) into that unit to give Randle a kickout option, otherwise you can clamp on him and force turnovers while 4 guys who are not that confident in their shot stand around and watch.

Agreed.
Yes the second unit obviously did not work. Guess on paper you had two floor spreaders in Grimes and Deuce. Defense from Hart and Deuce and some big man help in Precious. In reality you had two scared offensive players, invisible big which created a double team magnet for Randle. Not his best look.

Prefer Sims in Instead of Precious. Flynn instead of Deuce and , you guessed it, Devo more minutes with second unit.

VDesai wrote:I think Deuce needs time to develop the confidence in his offensive game, but to me he shows signs. He has a bulldog mentality so he just needs to bring it to the other side of the ball.

The disappointment here is Grimes, who has had plenty of floor time and has the talent. He has a good shot, a good first step and a decent handle. He was a scorer in college so where is it right now? He needs to be more than Reggie Bullock.

But I will continue to ask - if you are gonna have Anunoby OR McBride out there - why can't you put Fournier on the floor? The issue is defense, but when you have that kind of defender next to him, I think you can hide him on a lesser wing and it gives you someone who is a legit double digit NBA scorer on the floor.

When we drafted Grimes, I pegged him as the kid with "nervous mechanics". Rushes everything IMHO.
He proved me wrong the first year but you can tell how his mechanics and game falters if pressed or is missing shots. Someone needs to work with him on his clock.

HofstraBBall wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:Can you imagine Mitch back and Murray off bench?

Fournier and all the picks for Murray.

Then you done.

Murray ain't coming here to come off the bench 1) he's better than every guard we got not named Jalen and 2) he probably like it as much as Julius or Jalen would like going to the bench.

Now - would he play with the bench guys (YES) but I say he'd start almost certainly. Of course I'm usually wrong 95% of the time.

Maybe wrong about Demar not being someone who would make us better.. Despite his minus yesterday. Which I feel is not a fair gripe. See him as this years Jimmy Buckets for the playoff team that trades for him.

Agree about Murray. He is not coming here to be a backup. As much as I want Devo to play 40 minutes a night, Murray at the 2 and Devo off the bench may be what we need.

For me, it's not a question of coming here to be a backup. Murray needs to be asked if he wants to be part of a championship level team or not. That's it.

I think either get DJM or try to bring Rokas over this summer.

nycericanguy wrote:DDV is having a career year, IDK if he's just gotten better, or if it's the NOVA effect but he has really played well and even more so as a starter.

Donte DiVincenzo has averaged 13.8 points, 3.4 rebounds and 2.2 assists in 16 games as a starter this season shooting 54/48/80 from the field in just 23.5mpg.

You've got it all wrong. Thibs is an offense only coach, much better at putting players in position to score than a place like GS. Plus, as you can see, GS doesn't develop young players like NY does.

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:DDV is having a career year, IDK if he's just gotten better, or if it's the NOVA effect but he has really played well and even more so as a starter.

Donte DiVincenzo has averaged 13.8 points, 3.4 rebounds and 2.2 assists in 16 games as a starter this season shooting 54/48/80 from the field in just 23.5mpg.

You've got it all wrong. Thibs is an offense only coach, much better at putting players in position to score than a place like GS. Plus, as you can see, GS doesn't develop young players like NY does.

Lots of guys have come here and played career best basketball. More have done that, than guys who have left and flourished because of being held back by Thibs or whatever. I know you are being facetious so I am in agreement with you.