nycericanguy wrote:ATL isn't going to want FOUR 1sts in this weakish draft.

I think the deal should be

Evan, Grimes, '25 MIL 1st, DET 1st (likely to convey in '27) and two seconds or the WSH 1st.

You can also make the '25 1st the better of ours or MIL to make it more appealing.

You are right. But they are prob headed for a soft rebuild and would use the draft pics as trade collateral to upgrade Cappella or another trade.

The Atlanta Hawks signed Dejounte Murray to a four-year, $120 million extension in July. Included in the extension is a 15% trade bonus, worth $13 million at the moment. The Hawks would be responsible for paying the bonus (spread evenly over four seasons, including 2023-24) if they traded Murray. The trade bonus can be negotiated to a lower number. Murray is trade eligible starting on Jan. 9. – via Bobby Marks @ ESPN

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:This makes it harder to incentivize Atlanta to do a trade

The Atlanta Hawks signed Dejounte Murray to a four-year, $120 million extension in July. Included in the extension is a 15% trade bonus, worth $13 million at the moment. The Hawks would be responsible for paying the bonus (spread evenly over four seasons, including 2023-24) if they traded Murray. The trade bonus can be negotiated to a lower number. Murray is trade eligible starting on Jan. 9. – via Bobby Marks @ ESPN

This just means Murray has even more leverage in picking where he wants to.

So you are saying he is willing to walk away from 13M to play for the team of his choice? Is he really unhappy in Atlanta. I haven t seen where he is asking for a trade

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:This makes it harder to incentivize Atlanta to do a trade

The Atlanta Hawks signed Dejounte Murray to a four-year, $120 million extension in July. Included in the extension is a 15% trade bonus, worth $13 million at the moment. The Hawks would be responsible for paying the bonus (spread evenly over four seasons, including 2023-24) if they traded Murray. The trade bonus can be negotiated to a lower number. Murray is trade eligible starting on Jan. 9. – via Bobby Marks @ ESPN

This just means Murray has even more leverage in picking where he wants to.

So you are saying he is willing to walk away from 13M to play for the team of his choice? Is he really unhappy in Atlanta. I haven t seen where he is asking for a trade

I haven't heard Murray say it, but I think Rich Paul kind of insinuated it when he said the Knicks where not on the list.

Chandler wrote:i like the trade proposals

Frankly if i were Atlanta i'd be looking to trade Trae. Find some loser franchise willing to pay big for him.

One thing to keep in mind. JB is a bit of a liability on D so having a really good defensive 2 is important. Grimes could have been that guy except for his hangup/unwillingness to shoot.

right now we're seeing how important that dynamic is because Devo is doing it, but could Devo deliver a season's worth of this performance???? Hopefully but who knows. DJM can and has. My only question with him is i know nothing about him as a person, e.g., is he a good lockerroom guy etc. Our chemistry is one of our biggest strengths.

I think Trae is overrated as well. Murray is the better PG.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:This makes it harder to incentivize Atlanta to do a trade

The Atlanta Hawks signed Dejounte Murray to a four-year, $120 million extension in July. Included in the extension is a 15% trade bonus, worth $13 million at the moment. The Hawks would be responsible for paying the bonus (spread evenly over four seasons, including 2023-24) if they traded Murray. The trade bonus can be negotiated to a lower number. Murray is trade eligible starting on Jan. 9. – via Bobby Marks @ ESPN

This just means Murray has even more leverage in picking where he wants to.

So you are saying he is willing to walk away from 13M to play for the team of his choice? Is he really unhappy in Atlanta. I haven t seen where he is asking for a trade

You won't, just his agent.

You aren't looking at the $13M correctly. He'll get some if not a majority of that money, somehow. It's the fact that he can use it as leverage to get to where he wants to if the circumstance presents itself. That's the important part

a few points. Murray's salary jumps to 25.5M next season and escalates every year. He has been unable to coexist on a team with Trae Young that was trying to build around the pairing. Trade rumors are only speculation due to Atlantas poor start to the season and playoff hopes being crushed

The eye test. When he is on the court with Trae, he stands around on offense and kind of floats around on defense. He looks like he is sulking when sharing the floor with Trae. Trae subs out around 6min mark and Murray takes over ball handling and is very iso heavy. He is not a good shooter or floor spacer. His attitude has been reported as questionable. NY media will shred this move if the team struggles to integrate Murray successfully. Murray seems to be more of a on man defender than a team defender. His switching looks incoherent much like Randles which would be a bad pairing.

I did not watch the playoff footage but checked some regular season games this season. My opinions are based on his effort in regular season games this season. My conclusion is a hard no on Murray. I don't think he fits alongside Brunson and would be be better on a team in a role like SGA where he can dominate the ball surrounded by role platers

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:This makes it harder to incentivize Atlanta to do a trade

The Atlanta Hawks signed Dejounte Murray to a four-year, $120 million extension in July. Included in the extension is a 15% trade bonus, worth $13 million at the moment. The Hawks would be responsible for paying the bonus (spread evenly over four seasons, including 2023-24) if they traded Murray. The trade bonus can be negotiated to a lower number. Murray is trade eligible starting on Jan. 9. – via Bobby Marks @ ESPN

This just means Murray has even more leverage in picking where he wants to.

So you are saying he is willing to walk away from 13M to play for the team of his choice? Is he really unhappy in Atlanta. I haven t seen where he is asking for a trade

You won't, just his agent.

You aren't looking at the $13M correctly. He'll get some if not a majority of that money, somehow. It's the fact that he can use it as leverage to get to where he wants to if the circumstance presents itself. That's the important part

a few points. Murray's salary jumps to 25.5M next season and escalates every year. He has been unable to coexist on a team with Trae Young that was trying to build around the pairing. Trade rumors are only speculation due to Atlantas poor start to the season and playoff hopes being crushed

The eye test. When he is on the court with Trae, he stands around on offense and kind of floats around on defense. He looks like he is sulking when sharing the floor with Trae. Trae subs out around 6min mark and Murray takes over ball handling and is very iso heavy. He is not a good shooter or floor spacer. His attitude has been reported as questionable. NY media will shred this move if the team struggles to integrate Murray successfully. Murray seems to be more of a on man defender than a team defender. His switching looks incoherent much like Randles which would be a bad pairing.

I did not watch the playoff footage but checked some regular season games this season. My opinions are based on his effort in regular season games this season. My conclusion is a hard no on Murray. I don't think he fits alongside Brunson and would be be better on a team in a role like SGA where he can dominate the ball surrounded by role platers

Another point: His on man defense has dropped off according to a few commentators and his fit as a point of attack defender is questionable.

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Could even get cute and say they can get choose between our pick or the Dallas pick. .

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:Can I hate this trade and love it at the same time?

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Curious on the hate portion. Seems like a no-brainer to me. If anything, the fit between Trae and Dejaunte would give me some pause that Brunson and Dejaunte would face the same or similar issues. Feel like Murray woud get more opportunity to facilitate the offense as opposed to Trae's ball dominance. But, I also have many questions about Randle's usage, which I would look to reduce.

Losing Grimes.

I’m a Knicks draftee homer

Nalod wrote:Windhourst on hoop collective guys saying Murray needs the ball to be effective. We taking it away from Brunson or Randle the Allstar?
I get that Murray is a talent upgrade over Grimes and DDV might be best on the 2nd unit. Also that Murry staggared with the bench could be very good.
But DDV can do some of that?
But what problems does he solve if any?
I see a center issue. Mitch breaks and iHart price could keep rising beyond the midlevel. That was he was pegged for but he might have exceeded it.

End of game, pressure ball-handling.

And elite breakdown ability against defenses that can swarm Brunson and play zone elsewhere.

Now, there aren't too many opponents where you will always need that, but definitely the playoff types.

Even Brunson gets trapped at end of games and doesn't know what to do with his pass/dribble when he is double teamed. DJM has the handles to beat that type of thing all day long and provide the second unit with PG ability.