MS wrote:
Portland was just in this situation, one team request and they managed to get an obscene amount of assets for a player that is on the tail end of his career on a terrible contract.

There are better offers than what we could give them right now.
We aren’t including Josh Hart with Grimes and picks.

If Miami gets involved and offers Jamie and Hero thats something we can’t match. Houston, ORL could put tighter nice offers, that’s not exactly Cleveland or Utah.

But, teams don’t love trading with us. Every offer seems to be more than any other team has to give.

If the Nets valued Herro highly, he would've already been traded to Brooklyn. Remember the Heat tried working 3-team options to acquire Lillard from the Blazers, who also didn't want/value Herro. And as talented as Jaquez is, I doubt he alone could be the impetus for a Bridges trade.

HofstraBBall wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Can someone explain how a player who is best as a role player and who is only putting up numbers because of his high shot count on a bad team is worth ALL those assets?

You said "Mitchell gives BKN a legitimate star they can build an offense around, who is far more apt in that regard than Bridges". That is EXACTLY why we would not give up that much for anyone but him. Or another TRUE game changer.

You mentioned the "muscle memory fit". We already have that in Devo, who just put up 38 and is fitting seamlessly with SL.

Bridges best role is as a role player. Do agree that he would be an upgrade for defense. And that it is my only concern in pairing JB with DM. But ee need a legitimate 1, top 20, "finisher". I would wait till the summer and see what happens with the DM situation. Good chance if he says he is not extending and wants to come to NY, we get him at a discount. Or we get Murray at reasonable cost. Giving up that many assets for Bridges is the desperate, short sighted move of Knicks past.

Are we really giving up all that much? I think it's hard to argue that Quentin Grimes is a better player or option than Mikal (even with cost as a factor). I'm a major McBride-optimist but he's expendable with a guy like Jalen Brunson already on the team and an excess of potential backup guards available. I'm also a big fan of Jirecho Sims but we already have our pivots in Mitchell Robinson and Isiah Hartenstein; with Precious Acuhiaw and Taj Gibson able to fill in in a pinch...and a possible Joel Embiid looming. Parting with the picks hurt BUT our 2032 first will become available to trade right after this 2024 draft. So what are we losing that is essential?

You kinda of answered it here. We would be giving up enough and adding enough salary to prevent us from going after TRUE elite players. Ie. Embid, DM.
But as you suggested, essentially we would give up 3 firsts and 2 seconds. Grimes considered a first and sims and Deuce seconds. Feel that can be held aside for someone who, once again, I feel is best as a role piece but not what can get us over the second round hump.

Would we? The Knicks would still have 6 first rounders available to trade in 4 years, an assortment of 2nd round picks as well as an All-NBA talent in Julius Randle and DPOY in Mitchell Robinson (for Embiid). Not many teams can offer that and the ones that can: (1) can't offer NY and (2) are not prepared or unwilling to disrupt their current trajectory (i.e. UTH, NOP and OKC).

So Bridges, Embid, JB and OG gets us to the finals? Who is playing PF?
If that does not work, then what?
Remember, what Embid will be making. That JB is getting closer to new contract. OG new contract yet to be determined. What will Bridges want?

Thankfully, I don't have to cut the check so that's on Dolan and what he wants to pay. I do remember that dude use to ante-up +$100M payrolls at a time when the cap was less than $50M for teams that didn't come close to making the playoffs. For a legitimate title contender, I think he'd be willing to break the bank no matter how punitive the luxury tax is now (ala PHO). I do know that of the group you mentioned, only Embiid and Brunson are max-worthy; while the rest will sign their extensions before the cap explodes again, allowing us some cushion to create sweetheart contracts for everyone else.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Yet at the end of the day how many top tier players really have walked?
Multigenerational wealth vs. injury potential?
BKN is not worried about Bridges walking.
clev is concerned, but here is the deal: Is DM gonna risk it to walk? if he is that good, he will extended and a gentlemans agreement ask for a trade down the road.
See if they can win now, and if the team need be, trade him to reboot.
Really, what player walks so the new team has more assets to win with? In fact, most teams have to shed salary at some point ANYWAY to afford a top player and keep a competitive team around them. So they might as well sign extensions and stick it out if the team is completive. if not, what does a rebuild look like? These days contenders owe out picks to get them that way.
This is the trend.
Garland and mobley will return this season. They are not dead.
As for Knicks? They might have to overpay a bit to keep OG, but thats not awful. Why they go out and get bridges with OG here?
The Villanova thing just has so much legs.

Recently, just enough. Like FVV, who paved the way for both Siakam and OG.

Philly has all the cap space this summer. That's all that matter.

Fvv.. who else? Kawahi was 2019. Mor many. FVV. 😳

Do players really need to walk clear and free to move teams? Or just force the issue?

Cause the Force Issue list is long and familiar and I prob don't need to list that out.

Lonzo Ball, Jimmy Butler, DeMar Derozen, KD was a FA and did S&T to Brooklyn. Those guys did not walk but they were all Free Agents.

Brunson walked to the Knicks but maybe not top tier?

It just takes a team with enough cap space and then you got the leverage, and that's all that counts IMO

Also at this point what we really need is a clutch shooter/scorer for the playoffs. We can't count on JR in that role and at the moment teams will gameplan JB to wear him down

We need to be thinking of playoffs as much as regular season at this point

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mikal's window has closed. Do we really think OG and Mikal at the 3 makes sense? That's a lot of $$

Also at this point what we really need is a clutch shooter/scorer for the playoffs. We can't count on JR in that role and at the moment teams will gameplan JB to wear him down

We need to be thinking of playoffs as much as regular season at this point

Why can't Mikal play the 2?

Mikal could 100% play the two.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:Mikal's window has closed. Do we really think OG and Mikal at the 3 makes sense? That's a lot of $$

Also at this point what we really need is a clutch shooter/scorer for the playoffs. We can't count on JR in that role and at the moment teams will gameplan JB to wear him down

We need to be thinking of playoffs as much as regular season at this point

Why can't Mikal play the 2?

Dude was consistently defending the opposing teams best perimeter threat; and ultimately, you are what you can defend. If he could cover SGA, as he did against the Thunder, he can cover ANY perimeter threat in the league. And best of all, he offers insurance for an inevitable flameout from Julius Randle in the playoffs.

nycericanguy wrote:Grimes and 4 1sts for Mikal would complete this team and the NOVA connection, and I'd be fine passing on DM in that case.

We'd have insane length, defense and shooting and 3 guys that can get 20-30 any given night.

It would be an overpay and the Nets probably still don't do it, but we can dream.

I'd been dreaming about OG for about a year and a half.

I think Mikal is possible. Just not on the short term timeline. And it does take the right type of pressure from the player.

Mikal has zero leverage for a year plus.

HofstraBBall wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Can someone explain how a player who is best as a role player and who is only putting up numbers because of his high shot count on a bad team is worth ALL those assets?

You said "Mitchell gives BKN a legitimate star they can build an offense around, who is far more apt in that regard than Bridges". That is EXACTLY why we would not give up that much for anyone but him. Or another TRUE game changer.

You mentioned the "muscle memory fit". We already have that in Devo, who just put up 38 and is fitting seamlessly with SL.

Bridges best role is as a role player. Do agree that he would be an upgrade for defense. And that it is my only concern in pairing JB with DM. But ee need a legitimate 1, top 20, "finisher". I would wait till the summer and see what happens with the DM situation. Good chance if he says he is not extending and wants to come to NY, we get him at a discount. Or we get Murray at reasonable cost. Giving up that many assets for Bridges is the desperate, short sighted move of Knicks past.

Are we really giving up all that much? I think it's hard to argue that Quentin Grimes is a better player or option than Mikal (even with cost as a factor). I'm a major McBride-optimist but he's expendable with a guy like Jalen Brunson already on the team and an excess of potential backup guards available. I'm also a big fan of Jirecho Sims but we already have our pivots in Mitchell Robinson and Isiah Hartenstein; with Precious Acuhiaw and Taj Gibson able to fill in in a pinch...and a possible Joel Embiid looming. Parting with the picks hurt BUT our 2032 first will become available to trade right after this 2024 draft. So what are we losing that is essential?

You kinda of answered it here. We would be giving up enough and adding enough salary to prevent us from going after TRUE elite players. Ie. Embid, DM.
But as you suggested, essentially we would give up 3 firsts and 2 seconds. Grimes considered a first and sims and Deuce seconds. Feel that can be held aside for someone who, once again, I feel is best as a role piece but not what can get us over the second round hump.

Would we? The Knicks would still have 6 first rounders available to trade in 4 years, an assortment of 2nd round picks as well as an All-NBA talent in Julius Randle and DPOY in Mitchell Robinson (for Embiid). Not many teams can offer that and the ones that can: (1) can't offer NY and (2) are not prepared or unwilling to disrupt their current trajectory (i.e. UTH, NOP and OKC).

So Bridges, Embid, JB and OG gets us to the finals? Who is playing PF?
If that does not work, then what?
Remember, what Embid will be making. That JB is getting closer to new contract. OG new contract yet to be determined. What will Bridges want?

OG can play PF. You just need a wing.