VDesai wrote:But its not like DeMar has a lot of years on his deal so is it relevant?

Like I said, I'd consider a short-term deal. But you have to keep in mind he's at point wherein his career where that his productivity can wane any minute. That is a risk that GMs factor in all the time, so I'd say it is relevant.

nycericanguy wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:But its not like DeMar has a lot of years on his deal so is it relevant?

why stunt Grimes's growth further for a short term "solution" that doesn't put us over the top anyway?

It definitely puts us in the conversation with Philly, Boston and Milwaukee.

strongly disagree.

I don't even think Mitchell would put us at that level.

Those teams are elite because they have true superstars, Tatum, Embiid and Giannis are better than anything we have.

Our stars are more at the level of their #2 guys like Lillard, Brown and Maxey.

Randle is playing at that level right now and I don't think it is an aberration. Fix the bench and our future is bright.

I foresee OG not loving doing majority of the heavy lifting defensively on the perimeter & wing only to get 8 shot attempts. We have $118mil committed to Donte Hart over the next 4 years while looking to reduce their roles.

It’s great that we are 2-0

However

IHart, 38 & 39
Brunson 39 & 41
Randle 39 & 36
OG 35 & 34 (was in foul trouble)

That’s a lot of continue minutes. He’s obviously adjusting rotations and it’s early, but even up 14-16 with two minutes left his guys are still in. He does that way too much. If Brunson and Randle don’t have great games it’s a lot out there for us to win.

Brogden is a good player but he’s too fragile. Can’t trade guys for a guy that could get injured, we have OG and Mitch already. DeMar is a killer and can’t be guarded one on one. Would allow more roster staggering and could play DD, DDV, mcbridge, OG together.

Clarkson at least has a salary that is manageable and locked in after this year. Low percentage guy but can give you some punch and has some fight in him.

Depends on the price but I wouldn't hate it.

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:But its not like DeMar has a lot of years on his deal so is it relevant?

why stunt Grimes's growth further for a short term "solution" that doesn't put us over the top anyway?

We are close to a finished product. Grimes growth isn't as important as it was 2 years ago. Winning is more important now. Grimes needs to speed up, we don't need to slow down for him.

I'm very close to giving up on Grimes tbh. He's giving me Ntilikina vibes. 6 FT attempts the entire season is embarrassing.

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:But its not like DeMar has a lot of years on his deal so is it relevant?

why stunt Grimes's growth further for a short term "solution" that doesn't put us over the top anyway?

We are close to a finished product. Grimes growth isn't as important as it was 2 years ago. Winning is more important now. Grimes needs to speed up, we don't need to slow down for him.

No issues moving on from him, but not for DD. Grimes is our last young trade chip so you better get someone good if you're moving him.

Grimes, OG and Mitch together could be a force defensively. Grimes is still shooting 38% on 3's on high volume. I think he can get back to 10-11ppg if you give him 28-30mpg now.

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:But its not like DeMar has a lot of years on his deal so is it relevant?

why stunt Grimes's growth further for a short term "solution" that doesn't put us over the top anyway?

We are close to a finished product. Grimes growth isn't as important as it was 2 years ago. Winning is more important now. Grimes needs to speed up, we don't need to slow down for him.

No issues moving on from him, but not for DD. Grimes is our last young trade chip so you better get someone good if you're moving him.

Grimes, OG and Mitch together could be a force defensively. Grimes is still shooting 38% on 3's on high volume. I think he can get back to 10-11ppg if you give him 28-30mpg now.

Has Grimes gotten a reasonable chance?
Saying he will be a force defensively ignores why he is not in the SL lineup.
Which is that he does very little on offense and does not offer much more on that end than DD and JHart. Who are taking his minutes.

nycericanguy wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

VDesai wrote:But its not like DeMar has a lot of years on his deal so is it relevant?

why stunt Grimes's growth further for a short term "solution" that doesn't put us over the top anyway?

We are close to a finished product. Grimes growth isn't as important as it was 2 years ago. Winning is more important now. Grimes needs to speed up, we don't need to slow down for him.

No issues moving on from him, but not for DD. Grimes is our last young trade chip so you better get someone good if you're moving him.

Grimes, OG and Mitch together could be a force defensively. Grimes is still shooting 38% on 3's on high volume. I think he can get back to 10-11ppg if you give him 28-30mpg now.

Has Grimes gotten a reasonable chance?
Saying he will be a force defensively ignores why he is not in the SL lineup.
Which is that he does very little on offense and does not offer much more on that end than DD and JHart. Who are taking his minutes.

Grimes was instrumental in anchoring our defense last season, while averaging 11.3ppg and shooting 39% from 3 on high volume. for a low usage guy that's not too bad, not too much worse than OG.

He's only played 148 career games, he's not untouchable but ups and downs at his age are reasonable. I think grimes is just a rhythm player on offense.

DDV doesn't have the size, and Hart doesn't have the shooting.

just saying he could end up being a key piece for us, keep in mind OG tends to miss alot of games too. Grimes is the only other wing we have with that kind of size.

Last years performance is why he was still in the SL at the begining of the year. His performance so far this year is why he is not in SL. I wanted to see a big year for him as well. But waiting for him to be aggressive, slow his mechanics and not play scared is wearing thin. Right now, the side of "he will be average" is outweighing "he will be a force". Feel last years performance was also magnified by how bad defensively other players were. DD and JHart are showing we can fill that need and still have effective players on the offensive end. Feel JHart has less talent offensively than Grimes but still offers more. Feel DD has more talent offensively and can still play more than adequate defense. Seems like he has 2 steals a game.

Not saying we give up, but using the excuse that he can affect winning more than DD or JHart is just not the case. He was. Minus 20 in the last game.
However, still think we will just add a couple of bench pieces by deadline so he will have a chance to prove some right. If not, feel he will definitely be used in a trade for a big name this summer.