TheMTL wrote:DLeethal wrote:SergioNYK wrote:There is no perfect trade out there. Even if we got lucky and stole Spida, I'm not sure he fits with Brunson in the backcourt. Murray isn't nearly as good as Spida but he might be a better fit next to Brunson. Better defensively and can also score 20. I don't like the contract but you can always flip it in a year or two. I'm not sure Fournier, Grimes and 3-5 picks are enough. I guess it depends what direction Landry Fields wants to go with. Cause making that trade kind of signals a rebuild and you still have that goof Trae Young, Capela and Bogdanovic making a lot of money.
We could probably get Brogdan for that package and he would help replace IQ's role off the bench but he wouldn't make us title contenders but would probably put us back in a playoff spot.
I feel much better about a Brunson/Mitchell backcourt with OG at the wing now. It can work now IMO.
Mitchell is probably more used to playing next to a 20+ppg PG than any elite scoring SG in the league. He's done it his whole career on 50-60 win teams.
You need to understand the players that work in Thibs system though. Murray fits better and gives Thibs that size he clearly craves for. And he's a great defender. With Brunson/Mitchell/OG, i still think thats weak defensively because OG can't guard everyone at once
Murray also can play a true PG which allows Brunson some time offball.
Most importantly, he brings our defense to level that would be Top 2 in the league.
Murray-OG-Mitch. That's a defensive wet dream.
Last point, I really don't see enough shots for Mitchell/Brunson/Randle. Someone would have to sacrifice and I don't think any of those players are ready for that. In addition, OG wants more touches on offense which would be impossible.
Great observations and this is the meat of the matter. There is a lot of sentiment about acquiring DM based on the disappointment of the Cleveland transaction, DM's longing to play for NY, savior-in-waiting meme, and so on. Add to that Cleveland's limited trade market for DM after a disappointing tenure. So there's plenty of incentive to move him and get something/anything while they can.
However Murray, unlike DM, is being treated like a bad penny largely because he hasn't lifted the eternally disappointing Hawks team. And, as you point out, Murray unlike DM, is more of a glove fit for the Knicks because he has no offensive reputation to promote. OG wants to shoot more, Brunson and Randle have no plans to shoot less and all these hustle players need their strokes.
My guess is that if the Knicks get Murray in an entirely economical way, DM will be a permanent fixture in the rear-view mirror.
If the Knicks go get DM, they may need to play with two balls.
