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nycericanguy wrote:I'm very high on IQ, but people always bring up his "Starter" stats and those were pretty amazing for Obi too. But alot of those were accrued in garbage time and against bench players. Even Grimes averaged 25ppg last April.
I always said maybe Thibs actually had Obi in his best role, maybe it was quite possible that Obi's best long term role in the league was going to be just what he had here, an off the bench energy big. And it didn't take long for IND to move him to the bench. IQ is a very solid two way player but it's quite possible his best role is also a sparkplug microwave scorer ala Lou Williams. The way MIA nuetered him in the playoffs was always in the back of my mind.

Going to be interesting how he does as not only a PG but now starting and having his minutes mostly matched against other starters.

Lets not rewrite history here..

Called upon for a career-high 21 starts last season in the wake of Barrett and Jalen Brunson injuries, Quickley averaged 22.6 points (nearly 10 more than his production off the bench) and shot just under 47 percent from the field. The Knicks posted a 12-9 record in his starts, which included a 55-minute, 38-point, double-overtime magnum opus in Boston last March.

More than enough games to prove that IQ's performance as a starter, wasnt a flash in the pan. Obi proved that he deserved a larger role as a sub. Thats all most of Obi's fans wanted. More PT.

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nycericanguy wrote:I'm very high on IQ, but people always bring up his "Starter" stats and those were pretty amazing for Obi too. But alot of those were accrued in garbage time and against bench players. Even Grimes averaged 25ppg last April.
I always said maybe Thibs actually had Obi in his best role, maybe it was quite possible that Obi's best long term role in the league was going to be just what he had here, an off the bench energy big. And it didn't take long for IND to move him to the bench. IQ is a very solid two way player but it's quite possible his best role is also a sparkplug microwave scorer ala Lou Williams. The way MIA nuetered him in the playoffs was always in the back of my mind.

Going to be interesting how he does as not only a PG but now starting and having his minutes mostly matched against other starters.

Lets not rewrite history here..

Called upon for a career-high 21 starts last season in the wake of Barrett and Jalen Brunson injuries, Quickley averaged 22.6 points (nearly 10 more than his production off the bench) and shot just under 47 percent from the field. The Knicks posted a 12-9 record in his starts, which included a 55-minute, 38-point, double-overtime magnum opus in Boston last March.

More than enough games to prove that IQ's performance as a starter, wasnt a flash in the pan. Obi proved that he deserved a larger role as a sub. Thats all most of Obi's fans wanted. More PT.

IQ is a good player and played well when given the chance.

just saying that 22ppg is propped up by those April games where IQ, Grimes and Obi were all starting and dropping 30ppg with ease.

Obi is only playing 24mpg in IND, basically 7mpg more than he did here. and has already been moved to the bench, he is what Thibs thought he was, an off the bench energy big. He certainly wouldn't be playing 24mpg if IND had a PF like Randle.

Still at it...

Does this look like most of IQ's games last season were in April? Dont see the need to make the trade look better than it does. Im glad OG is a Knick, but he didnt come cheap.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=immanuel+quickley+stats+as+a+starter+2022-2023

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nycericanguy wrote:

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nycericanguy wrote:I'm very high on IQ, but people always bring up his "Starter" stats and those were pretty amazing for Obi too. But alot of those were accrued in garbage time and against bench players. Even Grimes averaged 25ppg last April.
I always said maybe Thibs actually had Obi in his best role, maybe it was quite possible that Obi's best long term role in the league was going to be just what he had here, an off the bench energy big. And it didn't take long for IND to move him to the bench. IQ is a very solid two way player but it's quite possible his best role is also a sparkplug microwave scorer ala Lou Williams. The way MIA nuetered him in the playoffs was always in the back of my mind.

Going to be interesting how he does as not only a PG but now starting and having his minutes mostly matched against other starters.

Lets not rewrite history here..

Called upon for a career-high 21 starts last season in the wake of Barrett and Jalen Brunson injuries, Quickley averaged 22.6 points (nearly 10 more than his production off the bench) and shot just under 47 percent from the field. The Knicks posted a 12-9 record in his starts, which included a 55-minute, 38-point, double-overtime magnum opus in Boston last March.

More than enough games to prove that IQ's performance as a starter, wasnt a flash in the pan. Obi proved that he deserved a larger role as a sub. Thats all most of Obi's fans wanted. More PT.

IQ is a good player and played well when given the chance.

just saying that 22ppg is propped up by those April games where IQ, Grimes and Obi were all starting and dropping 30ppg with ease.

Obi is only playing 24mpg in IND, basically 7mpg more than he did here. and has already been moved to the bench, he is what Thibs thought he was, an off the bench energy big. He certainly wouldn't be playing 24mpg if IND had a PF like Randle.

Still at it...

Does this look like most of IQ's games last season were in April? Dont see the need to make the trade look better than it does. Im glad OG is a Knick, but he didnt come cheap.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=immanuel+quickley+stats+as+a+starter+2022-2023

I never said most of his starts were in April, that wouldn't make sense, there aren't even that many games in April.

I said they were propped up by those numbers, look at how many big games those 3 had late in the year.

Just saying I'm curious to see how he does playing against mostly starters now. Always felt he was a 20/5/5 guy.

But people get carried away, we had people saying Obi was a legit 20ppg guy based on the same "as a starter" stats.

Look at the big games IQ had to start the season, when our seeding was on the line. Nobody thought that Obi should start over Randle, no one.

Posters such as myself cited Obi's stats as as starter. Which includes a strong playoff performance in his only start. Demonstrated that he was capable of more than the PT he was being given. That he shouldnt have been given such a quick hook for mistakes, that Randle made in much larger amounts. Wasnt about replacing Randle, it was about Obi earning more PT. Not even a strong playoff performance got Thibs to give him a larger role. Which is why Obi lost it, and was traded. Maybe the most easygoing player on the roster.

Thibs has a track record of doing stuff like this going back years. Its no secret, and we shouldnt treat it as one.

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nycericanguy wrote:

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nycericanguy wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I'm very high on IQ, but people always bring up his "Starter" stats and those were pretty amazing for Obi too. But alot of those were accrued in garbage time and against bench players. Even Grimes averaged 25ppg last April.
I always said maybe Thibs actually had Obi in his best role, maybe it was quite possible that Obi's best long term role in the league was going to be just what he had here, an off the bench energy big. And it didn't take long for IND to move him to the bench. IQ is a very solid two way player but it's quite possible his best role is also a sparkplug microwave scorer ala Lou Williams. The way MIA nuetered him in the playoffs was always in the back of my mind.

Going to be interesting how he does as not only a PG but now starting and having his minutes mostly matched against other starters.

Lets not rewrite history here..

Called upon for a career-high 21 starts last season in the wake of Barrett and Jalen Brunson injuries, Quickley averaged 22.6 points (nearly 10 more than his production off the bench) and shot just under 47 percent from the field. The Knicks posted a 12-9 record in his starts, which included a 55-minute, 38-point, double-overtime magnum opus in Boston last March.

More than enough games to prove that IQ's performance as a starter, wasnt a flash in the pan. Obi proved that he deserved a larger role as a sub. Thats all most of Obi's fans wanted. More PT.

IQ is a good player and played well when given the chance.

just saying that 22ppg is propped up by those April games where IQ, Grimes and Obi were all starting and dropping 30ppg with ease.

Obi is only playing 24mpg in IND, basically 7mpg more than he did here. and has already been moved to the bench, he is what Thibs thought he was, an off the bench energy big. He certainly wouldn't be playing 24mpg if IND had a PF like Randle.

Still at it...

Does this look like most of IQ's games last season were in April? Dont see the need to make the trade look better than it does. Im glad OG is a Knick, but he didnt come cheap.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=immanuel+quickley+stats+as+a+starter+2022-2023

I never said most of his starts were in April, that wouldn't make sense, there aren't even that many games in April.

I said they were propped up by those numbers, look at how many big games those 3 had late in the year.

Just saying I'm curious to see how he does playing against mostly starters now. Always felt he was a 20/5/5 guy.

But people get carried away, we had people saying Obi was a legit 20ppg guy based on the same "as a starter" stats.

Look at the big games IQ had to start the season, when our seeding was on the line. Nobody thought that Obi should start over Randle, no one.

Posters such as myself cited Obi's stats as as starter. Which includes a strong playoff performance in his only start. Demonstrated that he was capable of more than the PT he was being given. That he shouldnt have been given such a quick hook for mistakes, that Randle made in much larger amounts. Wasnt about replacing Randle, it was about Obi earning more PT. Not even a strong playoff performance got Thibs to give him a larger role. Which is why Obi lost it, and was traded. Maybe the most easygoing player on the roster.

Thibs has a track record of doing stuff like this going back years. Its no secret, and we shouldnt treat it as one.

I'd say Thib's track record is pretty strong, can you name even one player that he had in the doghouse that thrived elsewhere?

CAM has been awful, some legit wanted Thibs fired for not playing him more. He could very well be out of the league soon.

and Obi is showing that he's just an off the bench energy big. Simply doesn't do anything outside of finishing at the rim very well.

Thats a strawman argument.

Who said anything about a doghouse? Just you. I have been saying all season that Thibs has a track record of players complaining about their roles, of effectively having their game put in a box. You want me to name those players?

How about Grimes? Same complaints as Obi. Gets sent to the bench. What happens? With more freedom to create. make mistakes, his game is slowly coming back.

What about Josh Hart? He complained about being stuck in the corner. Thibs loosens up. Aside from the Sved-like pass into the cheap(ish) seats, Hart starts getting more involved.

It isnt until the players force Thibs hand that changes are made. I'd like to see the coaching staff pick up on it sooner.

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nycericanguy wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I'm very high on IQ, but people always bring up his "Starter" stats and those were pretty amazing for Obi too. But alot of those were accrued in garbage time and against bench players. Even Grimes averaged 25ppg last April.
I always said maybe Thibs actually had Obi in his best role, maybe it was quite possible that Obi's best long term role in the league was going to be just what he had here, an off the bench energy big. And it didn't take long for IND to move him to the bench. IQ is a very solid two way player but it's quite possible his best role is also a sparkplug microwave scorer ala Lou Williams. The way MIA nuetered him in the playoffs was always in the back of my mind.

Going to be interesting how he does as not only a PG but now starting and having his minutes mostly matched against other starters.

Lets not rewrite history here..

Called upon for a career-high 21 starts last season in the wake of Barrett and Jalen Brunson injuries, Quickley averaged 22.6 points (nearly 10 more than his production off the bench) and shot just under 47 percent from the field. The Knicks posted a 12-9 record in his starts, which included a 55-minute, 38-point, double-overtime magnum opus in Boston last March.

More than enough games to prove that IQ's performance as a starter, wasnt a flash in the pan. Obi proved that he deserved a larger role as a sub. Thats all most of Obi's fans wanted. More PT.

IQ is a good player and played well when given the chance.

just saying that 22ppg is propped up by those April games where IQ, Grimes and Obi were all starting and dropping 30ppg with ease.

Obi is only playing 24mpg in IND, basically 7mpg more than he did here. and has already been moved to the bench, he is what Thibs thought he was, an off the bench energy big. He certainly wouldn't be playing 24mpg if IND had a PF like Randle.

Still at it...

Does this look like most of IQ's games last season were in April? Dont see the need to make the trade look better than it does. Im glad OG is a Knick, but he didnt come cheap.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=immanuel+quickley+stats+as+a+starter+2022-2023

I never said most of his starts were in April, that wouldn't make sense, there aren't even that many games in April.

I said they were propped up by those numbers, look at how many big games those 3 had late in the year.

Just saying I'm curious to see how he does playing against mostly starters now. Always felt he was a 20/5/5 guy.

But people get carried away, we had people saying Obi was a legit 20ppg guy based on the same "as a starter" stats.

Look at the big games IQ had to start the season, when our seeding was on the line. Nobody thought that Obi should start over Randle, no one.

Posters such as myself cited Obi's stats as as starter. Which includes a strong playoff performance in his only start. Demonstrated that he was capable of more than the PT he was being given. That he shouldnt have been given such a quick hook for mistakes, that Randle made in much larger amounts. Wasnt about replacing Randle, it was about Obi earning more PT. Not even a strong playoff performance got Thibs to give him a larger role. Which is why Obi lost it, and was traded. Maybe the most easygoing player on the roster.

Thibs has a track record of doing stuff like this going back years. Its no secret, and we shouldnt treat it as one.

I'd say Thib's track record is pretty strong, can you name even one player that he had in the doghouse that thrived elsewhere?

CAM has been awful, some legit wanted Thibs fired for not playing him more. He could very well be out of the league soon.

and Obi is showing that he's just an off the bench energy big. Simply doesn't do anything outside of finishing at the rim very well.

Thats a strawman argument.

Who said anything about a doghouse? Just you. I have been saying all season that Thibs has a track record of players complaining about their roles, of effectively having their game put in a box. You want me to name those players?

How about Grimes? Same complaints as Obi. Gets sent to the bench. What happens? With more freedom to create. make mistakes, his game is slowly coming back.

What about Josh Hart? He complained about being stuck in the corner. Thibs loosens up. Aside from the Sved-like pass into the cheap(ish) seats, Hart starts getting more involved.

It isnt until the players force Thibs hand that changes are made. I'd like to see the coaching staff pick up on it sooner.

Players complaining about their roles in the NBA is nothing new and certainly not something unique to Thibs.

The reality is we did have a glut of guards and a trade was always going to be necessary, the minutes were not there, so it's not surprising that guys spoke about it.

I simply asked you to name one player that has thrived after leaving Thibs?

Players complain about their roles, but we dont hear players on other teams going public as much as Thibs coached teams, on the whole.

To answer your question.. Jimmy Butler and KAT. They did just fine after their dustup with Thibs. Better than they have done with him lately.

Thibs waits too long to properly address an issue. It creates unecessary drama. Its a big reason why he is always at the bottom of the survey that players respond to about NBA coaches. There is no way to spin that.

End of the day winning is all that matters.