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12/21/2023  3:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2023  3:18 PM
I'm staying pat. I don't think the loss of Mitch affects our win total. He's been a monster this year but I just don't think he affects winning. I think we actually win more games without him. The offense is much more open. Ball movement is better and less stagnant. Pace of play seems much faster and less predictable. Even randle is hustling. PnR looks more efficient without Mitch clogging the middle. Our defense is actually still very good and we are still getting rebounds without him.

My conclusion is Mitch, while a very good player and a great Knicks 2nd rd pick success story, does not impact winning. He is just to one dimensional in todays NBA
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12/21/2023  3:24 PM
Barring another injury, I don't think the win total changes much. It definitely hurts us in the playoffs though where the games slow down a bit and we're guaranteed to see size in most potential matchups.
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12/21/2023  4:39 PM
I think I predicted 45 wins and I'm still good with that. The loss of Rob will really be felt in the playoffs. If we play Cleveland again, I don't like our chances with the current roster.
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12/21/2023  6:24 PM
It's - 5 wins easy, maybe even 10
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12/21/2023  6:51 PM
ramtour420 wrote:It's - 5 wins easy, maybe even 10


So you think it’s play in or miss the playoffs without Mitch? What are we now, 4-2 without him?
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12/21/2023  8:04 PM
Staying pat at 45 wins.
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12/21/2023  9:40 PM
Mitch might be my favorite Knick because of who he is and I love the way he plays (when healthy). Is it possible though that this could actually translate into more wins with better ball movement with IHart playing more? As long as he stays healthy and isn't run into the ground....
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12/21/2023  11:14 PM
Gonna find out pretty quickly against teams w/ solid bigs in Bucks, Thunder, Pacers, Wolves.
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Rookie wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:It's - 5 wins easy, maybe even 10


So you think it’s play in or miss the playoffs without Mitch? What are we now, 4-2 without him?

When the opposing center is 6'8 ( like Precious Achnuba) it's not a bid deal. No I don't think it's missing the playoffs, but instead of the 5th seed we could end up 7th or 8th. The 'maybe 10 wins" ok part of purely pessimistic in case Hartenstein goes down for any amount of time
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12/22/2023  6:08 AM
I had too pessimistic a view on this team. They will out perform my low expectations.

1) Brunson and Randle are ballin. It’s fantastic to watch.
2) Barrett is flirting with a breakout. All three force it a little when competing for shots. Gotta just trust the game to give them the shots a bit more.
3) DDV has been a revelation. His knowledge of motion offense needs to be implemented across the board. His ability to put himself in positions to score off the ball are just insane. He’s just standing under the basket by himself multiple times a game. Moves without the ball so well.
4) IQ broke out.
5) Hartenstein May have Wally Pipped MRob. My Jokic jokes don’t seems so crazy sometimes.

Team needs to work on breaking the trap defense. Grimes does, specifically.
A little more offense run through Hartenstein would be helpful. And Barrett working on getting to 5+ assists per game would just alter his efficiency by itself. He will see the game different.

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12/22/2023  8:51 AM
Mitch DOMINATED smaller foes which iHart will do at a lessor scale, but better ball movement. Perhaps who plays back up and how they play it will matter. “Hart to iHart” defense and hustle fueled that 2nd unit pace which did help Grimes some also.
I was at 48-52 wins and since injuries are a part of it all I have to stand pat.
iHart and Mitch sharing minutes mattered keeping both fresh and thought to be injury free. Reducing fatigue helps with dumb fouls.
Easy to type trades, another to factor in getting a player that has to learn a system. Defense is an issue but we hanging tough.
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12/22/2023  9:10 AM
ramtour420 wrote:It's - 5 wins easy, maybe even 10

that would essentially mean we miss the playoffs?

doubt it, Mitch was great but Hart is solid as well, and Mitch played less than 30mpg.

Probably costs us 3-4 wins but we should still be around #4-6 seed.
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12/22/2023  9:34 AM
sealy wrote:Gonna find out pretty quickly against teams w/ solid bigs in Bucks, Thunder, Pacers, Wolves.

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12/22/2023  9:35 AM
iHart contract year! He is about to pump us all up!
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12/22/2023  9:41 AM
martin wrote:
sealy wrote:Gonna find out pretty quickly against teams w/ solid bigs in Bucks, Thunder, Pacers, Wolves.

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You guys do realize iHart is 7’-0” 250lbs. He ain’t small for his position
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martin wrote:
sealy wrote:Gonna find out pretty quickly against teams w/ solid bigs in Bucks, Thunder, Pacers, Wolves.

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You guys do realize iHart is 7’-0” 250lbs. He ain’t small for his position

Oh for sure. Now it's all about: does he have enough talent to be a starter against really good teams, that's all.

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12/22/2023  9:56 AM
Mitch only played 59 games and under 27mpg last year and we were the #4 seed. It's a big reason why I always felt KP would have been perfect here.

I don't think this should change much but I think the bigger impact will likely be in the playoffs.
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12/22/2023  10:02 AM
nycericanguy wrote:Mitch only played 59 games and under 27mpg last year and we were the #4 seed. It's a big reason why I always felt KP would have been perfect here.

I don't think this should change much but I think the bigger impact will likely be in the playoffs.

Cause Mitch and KP would combo up for almost 82 total games played between the 2 of them in the season?

I'm actually coming around to your thinking on trading for KP if they had the right contracts and whatever Washington wanted. I get it. No idea how it could have been with those exact personalities and past from both sides.

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12/22/2023  10:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2023  10:21 AM
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nycericanguy wrote:Mitch only played 59 games and under 27mpg last year and we were the #4 seed. It's a big reason why I always felt KP would have been perfect here.

I don't think this should change much but I think the bigger impact will likely be in the playoffs.

Cause Mitch and KP would combo up for almost 82 total games played between the 2 of them in the season?

I'm actually coming around to your thinking on trading for KP if they had the right contracts and whatever Washington wanted. I get it. No idea how it could have been with those exact personalities and past from both sides.

made sense on many levels, his spacing is a game changer. BOS is the title favorite now and I think he's a big reason why, ship sailed but it was a big goof, KP was by far the best player available that fit for us and would have cost practically nothing.

i was always a huge KP fan though so maybe I feel stronger about it but the way teams have to respect his shooting, and his rim protection are just absolute game changers, I think he's been the x factor in all those BOS losses for us.

to say we shouldnt have wanted him b/c his injuries, well we might as well have said we dont want Mitch either.
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martin wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:
sealy wrote:Gonna find out pretty quickly against teams w/ solid bigs in Bucks, Thunder, Pacers, Wolves.

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You guys do realize iHart is 7’-0” 250lbs. He ain’t small for his position

Oh for sure. Now it's all about: does he have enough talent to be a starter against really good teams, that's all.

I thought it was more about iHart being a better fit with the 2nd unit who likes to play fast and not a talent drop-off thing. Coincidentally, the starting unit is playing faster with iHart starting over Mitch. Even Randle is actually running at times which totally blew my mind
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