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martin
Posts: 68911 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
12/8/2023 11:23 AM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Hindsight is 20/20 yada, yada. My assumption is that GSW has been one of the better run organizations out there. Good at spotting, drafting, and developing talent - witness Steph, Klay, Green. Even Wiggins to a degree early on after DRussell swap. Myers also had the #2 pick in 2020 draft (and went with Wiseman), #7 and #14 in 2021 (Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody). He loved Hali in 2020 and still passed him over. Following year, he has Franz Wagner (#8) sitting right there, a player who at the time I thought really matched their style of play. In 2021, #15 is Alperen Sengün and #16 is Trey Murphy, two more guys who seem to fit their system perfectly too. Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody instead of Hali, Franz Wagner, Sengun. That's the reality of scouting, even for "well run" organizations. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37604 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
12/8/2023 12:38 PM
martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: The Warriors transitioned into different regimes during the Steph, Klay and Dray drafts. I think one thing to point out is the shifting of draft strategies. The warriors seemed to be more at ease drafting for ceiling in the early years when they had nothing to lose. For example, the fact that they had Monte Ellis didn't make them reconsider drafting Steph. That strategy shifted after the titles. They drafted for need rather than talent. Wiseman had plenty of red flags. Even then I was on the Ball bandwagon. Ball, admittedly, had red flags as well but the talent was undeniable. I thought this was the classic lesson learned from the Bowie/Jordan draft, but they clenched up and went the safe route. I won't kill them for passing over Hal because a number of teams, including us, did the same. I will kill them for the unimaginative Moody pick. Look back at the scouting reports and you'll see most had him as a high floor, low ceiling player. A safe pick. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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martin
Posts: 68911 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
12/8/2023 12:59 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Oh for sure on that. But it does go to show how hard it is to gauge and measure talent and ceiling. Not for nothing, but Sacramento had Hali in their locker room and gym for a year and a half and still probably couldn't predict this level of ceiling for him. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Nalod
Posts: 68743 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
12/8/2023 1:33 PM
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: They had Fox in front of him and perhaps they could not pay both. Sabonis is still an allstar and completed that team also. Last year it looked like Sac stole sabonis. This year its the other way around. it was a win-win. but lets not forget coaching, styles and other players matter. Heild is doing really well but he was salary fodder prior. Good post, despite all of warriors draft issues they won a title two years ago! |
HofstraBBall
Posts: 27198 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
12/9/2023 7:48 AM
martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Let's not forget that the right situation is key for how a young player's development/perceived success. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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Alpha1971
Posts: 22468 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 1/17/2022 Member: #9006 |
12/9/2023 7:31 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:martin wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Your right that the predetermined outcome is a fallacy. Just because a player excels on one team doesn't mean he will on another. However, would Haliburton not had a better chance to prosper on the Knicks more then Obi Toppin. What was the logic ? Behind that draft. I admit to going with it, what choice did I have. I am a Knicks fan wish for the best. But explain to me how the front office on its first draft pick blow the chance to get an all star pg when we had Elfrid Payton ahead of him ? Even if we knew we would get Brunson eventually why not draft Haliburton to pair him with Brunson or to trade after we got Brunson? Could it be because Rose's son represented Obi ? Has Leon done a good job overall, yes. But that first pic of Obi over Haliburton is a huge stain. Drafting IQ is a consolation like when we drafted Mitch in the second round after first drafting Knox. But Leon blew a chance to take the team to another level from the onset |
martin
Posts: 68911 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
12/22/2023 8:43 PM
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