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Should we listen to some guy named DJ? Is that DJMUSIC or djsunyc?

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Honestly if the Knicks really wanted to start DDV then they should consider trading grimes and picks to the bulls for Caruso. Caruso is the ultimate utility player off the bench and would be a perfect complement to IQ. He takes no usage and can shoot, while being an elite defender. Grimes can be an elite defender, but Caruso is one. He’s one of the best in the game and outside of OG is the top 3&D guy in my opinion. I understand the cost and the opinion for those who would prefer keeping the young knick to develop. Totally understandable. I’m just saying if you believe DDV makes the starting lineup even better and complements Brunson and Randle, Caruso is an upgrade to the bench and the defensive culture of this team. A deal would require Grimes, plus a couple of the minimum contract players to make the money work, then it comes down to picks. Chicago needs them and the idea would be to avoid any unprotected ones.

I'd start Caruso. I like DDV off the bench.
I'd trade IQ or Grimes. Bulls are making noise its gonna be expensive.
If it gets us to the next level, then perhaps its worthwhile.
I'd like to see Grimes get more time to create and see what he can do.
as the 4th option, his catch and shoot as a starter can be devastating to opponents but he has to his 2pt attempts at a better clip.
He is near 40% from 3pt range.

Tell me what coach is asking him to do and are they happy? Knicks ball movement is improved and he is getting better looks this year.

I don’t see a ton of upside with grimes right now beyond a better version of what he is. Nothing to me indicates he’s going to do more with the ball in his hands as a playmaker. He’s a 3&D guy. He does fit really well on this team no doubt though. He can start for a great team. But there’s always the possibility to upgrade over what he is.

martin wrote:Trade the yutes for a near 30yo? not good enough of an upgrade.

Knicks got that same'ish type of role player already.

Yes he may not be a good enough upgrade no doubt. Caruso is a better defender than grimes but you’re giving up some of the volume shooting too.

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Honestly if the Knicks really wanted to start DDV then they should consider trading grimes and picks to the bulls for Caruso. Caruso is the ultimate utility player off the bench and would be a perfect complement to IQ. He takes no usage and can shoot, while being an elite defender. Grimes can be an elite defender, but Caruso is one. He’s one of the best in the game and outside of OG is the top 3&D guy in my opinion. I understand the cost and the opinion for those who would prefer keeping the young knick to develop. Totally understandable. I’m just saying if you believe DDV makes the starting lineup even better and complements Brunson and Randle, Caruso is an upgrade to the bench and the defensive culture of this team. A deal would require Grimes, plus a couple of the minimum contract players to make the money work, then it comes down to picks. Chicago needs them and the idea would be to avoid any unprotected ones.

I'd start Caruso. I like DDV off the bench.
I'd trade IQ or Grimes. Bulls are making noise its gonna be expensive.
If it gets us to the next level, then perhaps its worthwhile.
I'd like to see Grimes get more time to create and see what he can do.
as the 4th option, his catch and shoot as a starter can be devastating to opponents but he has to his 2pt attempts at a better clip.
He is near 40% from 3pt range.

Tell me what coach is asking him to do and are they happy? Knicks ball movement is improved and he is getting better looks this year.

I don’t see a ton of upside with grimes right now beyond a better version of what he is. Nothing to me indicates he’s going to do more with the ball in his hands as a playmaker. He’s a 3&D guy. He does fit really well on this team no doubt though. He can start for a great team. But there’s always the possibility to upgrade over what he is.

Grimes is really explosive. And with his shooting teams have to close out hard on him, he easily gets by defenders and blows his way to the basket, the problem right now is once he does, he panicks/rushes and doesn't get a good shot or a good pass. but that's common in young players. and if he can slow down I think there's ton of upside.

IQ was an inefficient player in college and for almost 3 years in the NBA, until things clicked and slowed down for him. now you see when he makes moves HE is in control and HE decides what he's going to do.

Vs Grimes who panicks and does the first thing he can to get rid of the ball. We saw it especially in the playoffs where he just flat out missed layups.

That's fixable though for sure and should improve as he reads the defenses better.

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Honestly if the Knicks really wanted to start DDV then they should consider trading grimes and picks to the bulls for Caruso. Caruso is the ultimate utility player off the bench and would be a perfect complement to IQ. He takes no usage and can shoot, while being an elite defender. Grimes can be an elite defender, but Caruso is one. He’s one of the best in the game and outside of OG is the top 3&D guy in my opinion. I understand the cost and the opinion for those who would prefer keeping the young knick to develop. Totally understandable. I’m just saying if you believe DDV makes the starting lineup even better and complements Brunson and Randle, Caruso is an upgrade to the bench and the defensive culture of this team. A deal would require Grimes, plus a couple of the minimum contract players to make the money work, then it comes down to picks. Chicago needs them and the idea would be to avoid any unprotected ones.

I'd start Caruso. I like DDV off the bench.
I'd trade IQ or Grimes. Bulls are making noise its gonna be expensive.
If it gets us to the next level, then perhaps its worthwhile.
I'd like to see Grimes get more time to create and see what he can do.
as the 4th option, his catch and shoot as a starter can be devastating to opponents but he has to his 2pt attempts at a better clip.
He is near 40% from 3pt range.

Tell me what coach is asking him to do and are they happy? Knicks ball movement is improved and he is getting better looks this year.

I don’t see a ton of upside with grimes right now beyond a better version of what he is. Nothing to me indicates he’s going to do more with the ball in his hands as a playmaker. He’s a 3&D guy. He does fit really well on this team no doubt though. He can start for a great team. But there’s always the possibility to upgrade over what he is.

Grimes is really explosive. And with his shooting teams have to close out hard on him, he easily gets by defenders and blows his way to the basket, the problem right now is once he does, he panicks/rushes and doesn't get a good shot or a good pass. but that's common in young players. and if he can slow down I think there's ton of upside.

IQ was an inefficient player in college and for almost 3 years in the NBA, until things clicked and slowed down for him. now you see when he makes moves HE is in control and HE decides what he's going to do.

Vs Grimes who panicks and does the first thing he can to get rid of the ball. We saw it especially in the playoffs where he just flat out missed layups.

That's fixable though for sure and should improve as he reads the defenses better.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. Grimes still playing too fast. He is close though

yea he has a decent handle too. Size, explosiveness, shooting... he has a lot of tools to be really good.

here's the thing, IF things can slow down for Grimes, it not only opens up his drives, but defenders will have to respect his drive and won't be able to close out so hard on him so it should in theory get him better looks from 3 as well.

but it's quite possible he just won't learn to read the game and defenses well either or doesn't have the BBIQ to do so.

EwingPSD wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_per_minute.html

If you sort for 3-point attempts you will find that exactly 10 players took 9.3 3-point attempts per 36 last year. That means 10 players took one more 3 per 36 minutes that QG is taking this year. This notion that he is passing on a ton of 3s is false. I am sure he misses an opportunity to shoot here and there and I'd like to see him do more than CnS. some of that is on Grimes but he isn't overly gun-shy when he gets a catch. DDV makes some cool flash plays and had a big game against Charlotte but over the course of the season, I don't see him being more than Grimes on either side of the basketball and I definitely don't see him being better just by being a more willing shooter.

Grimes is 60th on that list last year.

I dont think Grimes passes alot of 3's, i think he passes alot of drive opportunities at the basket.

but PER 36, and especially so early in the year isn't very useful yet.

I mean you talked up Obi's PER 36 three point attempts as well, it doesn't make him a good shooter.

EwingPSD wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

EwingPSD wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_per_minute.html

If you sort for 3-point attempts you will find that exactly 10 players took 9.3 3-point attempts per 36 last year. That means 10 players took one more 3 per 36 minutes that QG is taking this year. This notion that he is passing on a ton of 3s is false. I am sure he misses an opportunity to shoot here and there and I'd like to see him do more than CnS. some of that is on Grimes but he isn't overly gun-shy when he gets a catch. DDV makes some cool flash plays and had a big game against Charlotte but over the course of the season, I don't see him being more than Grimes on either side of the basketball and I definitely don't see him being better just by being a more willing shooter.

Grimes is 60th on that list last year.

I dont think Grimes passes alot of 3's, i think he passes alot of drive opportunities at the basket.

but PER 36, and especially so early in the year isn't very useful yet.

I mean you talked up Obi's PER 36 three point attempts as well, it doesn't make him a good shooter.

If he made them at a 40% rate it would have. Right now Grimes is shooting a lot of 3s and making a good %.

He's pretty damn good as a 3 & D guy right now. He was a big reason for our turnaround last season.