MS wrote:I get why we traded him. I don't get why you would hand him to the best pure point guard in the league, with a big that can shoot and floor spacing on the wings. It was a stupid trade, then and it's a stupid trade now.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

FrenchKnicks wrote:I still don’t get it. Was that trade needed to get DiVincenzo ?
Was there a huge conflit with the coach or the front office after the playoffs ?
How did we end up getting ONLY a couple of 2nd rounders for a guy capable of scoring 35 when given the opportunity ?
Sorry this is old news but I was waiting for something else to happen at the PF spot for tahr trade to make sense… still waiting really.

Toppin would be out of the rotation and player relationships matter. Although the Knicks should have done a better job finding a player who is capable of filling his role even though they aren’t in the regular rotation. I’m surprised they didn’t bring back Taj Gibson. Someone like that.

Could be that Taj wanted a place where he could maybe get some minutes instead of being the locker room dad but I think the fact they didn't bring back Taj speaks to where the Knicks FO head is at

Is he going to get minutes in Washington? He got less minutes there last year than he did in previous years in NY.

Who knows, he's gone now. And DDV is not a bad replacement.

My only issue is this. If fans gave Thibs fits over his rotations with Obi, what the hell is his rotation plan with DDV, who will demand more mins than Obi. Yes we all read the nice political article from DDV. But he's here to play and not sit next to EF or replace Rose DNPs or even play Obi's mins. DDV will play more mins than Obi did and everybody else mins will have to take a hit. Thats my fans view. But can't wait to see how Thibs manage this. Good to hear Grimes should not lose his starting roll. But I can see DDV finishing some games, with either Grimes or RJ (whoever has it rolling) will finish the 4th.

Can't wait to see the impacts from our upgraded guard defense, coached by Thibs (defensive coach).

IQ
Grimes
DDV
Hart

If I'm a guard playing against the knicks, I DON'T WANT THAT SMOKE.

MS wrote:Not trading him to an up & coming young team.

Second rounders aren't super valuable, the pacers are going to be very good. Until Haliburton got injured they were right by us in the standings.

I know it was garbage time, but he can still score at a high clip.

I mean, Fournier, IHart, Obi for Ayton you could have probably done at worst and then rerouted Ayton if need be next year if we were going to go without a back up power forward.

Literally any team in the NBA could have traded for Obi if they wanted him for more than 2 top 55 protected second round picks.

You might want to question why that is the case.

Knicks did him a solid. Sometimes you create your own luck and karma and hopefully that will be the case.

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Not trading him to an up & coming young team.

Second rounders aren't super valuable, the pacers are going to be very good. Until Haliburton got injured they were right by us in the standings.

I know it was garbage time, but he can still score at a high clip.

I mean, Fournier, IHart, Obi for Ayton you could have probably done at worst and then rerouted Ayton if need be next year if we were going to go without a back up power forward.

Literally any team in the NBA could have traded for Obi if they wanted him for more than 2 top 55 protected second round picks.

You might want to question why that is the case.

Knicks did him a solid. Sometimes you create your own luck and karma and hopefully that will be the case.

Holy moly both seconds are top 55 protected ?

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Not trading him to an up & coming young team.

Second rounders aren't super valuable, the pacers are going to be very good. Until Haliburton got injured they were right by us in the standings.

I know it was garbage time, but he can still score at a high clip.

I mean, Fournier, IHart, Obi for Ayton you could have probably done at worst and then rerouted Ayton if need be next year if we were going to go without a back up power forward.

Literally any team in the NBA could have traded for Obi if they wanted him for more than 2 top 55 protected second round picks.

You might want to question why that is the case.

Knicks did him a solid. Sometimes you create your own luck and karma and hopefully that will be the case.

Holy moly both seconds are top 55 protected ?

That was me just being facetious. But they are crap picks worthy of nothing, unless you are drafting Jericho Sims.

Obi was given away. But that also reflected his collective value, give or take.

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

martin wrote:

MS wrote:Not trading him to an up & coming young team.

Second rounders aren't super valuable, the pacers are going to be very good. Until Haliburton got injured they were right by us in the standings.

I know it was garbage time, but he can still score at a high clip.

I mean, Fournier, IHart, Obi for Ayton you could have probably done at worst and then rerouted Ayton if need be next year if we were going to go without a back up power forward.

Literally any team in the NBA could have traded for Obi if they wanted him for more than 2 top 55 protected second round picks.

You might want to question why that is the case.

Knicks did him a solid. Sometimes you create your own luck and karma and hopefully that will be the case.

Holy moly both seconds are top 55 protected ?

That was me just being facetious. But they are crap picks worthy of nothing, unless you are drafting Jericho Sims.

Obi was given away. But that also reflected his collective value, give or take.

We could've flipped him for Duarte to be our third string power forward

I think we traded him for the seconds Indy got when they traded Duarte. I am sure if they could have gotten someone good they would have taken back salary but based on what they could get it seems like they weren't willing to take on a player and settled for the 2nds. Sending Obi to a preferred destination after a less-than-player-friendly investment in a guy they chose probably also played a role

fishmike wrote:9th guy, worst player in the rotation. Not the outcome you wanted from the lottery pick but that part is offset by other players development exceeding expectations

Yep.