I would give up just about anything for artest except marbury

I kinda agree that now would be a good time to stay hands-off...as much as I like the idea of an all-hometown squad...If getting a home-towner is that important, I'd go for Odom before Artest...But I also agree that we need a center first and foremost.

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Posted by Nalod:


No way, he cannot be trusted.

Spree and spree problems are night and day.

Ron is a good guy, and the passion thing is cool, but come crunch time, when most schvintktrs tighten up and choke, this guy comes undone. Sorry, I'd pass on him.

Layden passed on him and you almost hd a heart attack. Layden's scouts probaly did their homework on Ron before draft. Imagine him in NY as a rookie with his QueensbridgePosse, what we saw with Ron Artest this pass weekend could have easily been accelerated by him starting out in NEW YORK CITY and playing for the Knicks!

how many times do we have to correct this one? Who was the GM in charge when Weis was drafted? Hint: it was not Layden.

Sports Guy's thoughts on the brawl, and more importantly, Artest to the Knicks:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/cowbell/041122

14. Don't count out the Ewing Theory with the Pacers and Artest. You only need 35 wins to make the playoffs in the Trainwreck East. And if you're worried about the Pacers competing with a depleted team, as Chad Ford points out in today's column, they still have some cap money left for free agents, plus they can always find someone dumb enough to give them fair value for Artest -- you know, like Isiah Thomas, for instance. If they can remain within striking distance in March and get everyone healthy and unsuspended, there's no reason the Ewing Theory couldn't carry them from there.

Still, the Pacers need to move Artest -- get 50 cents on the dollar for him, give him a fresh start somewhere else, and that's that. Larry Bird is smart enough to know that Artest's presence on his team, from this point on, will overshadow everything they do. They also need to get help immediately for him before the season possibly slips away.

But who would have the intestinal fortitude to trade for a guy who's clearly one of the best 25 guys in the league?

Three teams make sense but would be too afraid to pull the trigger:

A. Portland -- Something like Artest, Scot Pollard, Anthony Johnson and a No. 1 for Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Doesn't it seem like his destiny to play there? Unfortunately, after everything Portland fans have gone through, the Blazers would probably rather trade for Scott Peterson.


B. Boston -- Artest and a No. 1 for Jiri Welsch and Yogi Stewart. Unfortunately, the local media would skewer the Celtics for this one ... so it's not happening. Red Auerbach would have made this trade though. He's the same guy who traded for Kermit Washington 27 years ago.


C. Memphis -- Artest, Johnson and a No. 1 for Bonzi Wells. Indy gets another scorer, Jerry West gets another potential All-Star. But he would never subject Hubie Brown to the Artest Era, not at Hubie's advanced age.


That leaves the following teams:

A. Philly -- Artest and Pollard for Glenn Robinson. Basically a straightforward salary dump -- Robinson's contract expires this summer. And if there's one city that would embrace Artest and forgive his past mistakes, it's Philly.


B. Dallas -- If Artest's suspension was cut down, couldn't you see the Benefactor rolling the dice with Artest, Pollard and a No. 1 for Jerry Stackhouse and cap filler? Remember, this is the same man who once shelled out $100 million for Raef LaFrentz and Shawn Bradley. Anything's possible.


C. New York -- Artest, Pollard and a No. 1 for Tim Thomas. Isiah coached Artest, knows what he can do, played with people like him, would love the fact that it would get the city talking ... and considering that New York is the same city that embraced Sprewell five years ago, the thought of Artest thriving in Manhattan doesn't seem far-fetched. I bet anything he lands here.

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I would trade Artest for Tim Thomas RIGHT NOW. And I still like Tim Thomas.

Posted by martin:

wow, this amazes me that more and more people would trade Artest for very little. Bill Simmons is suggesting the likes of Artest, #1 for TT.

I guess I may be in the minority.

I'm skeptical that Artest will learn his lesson from this incident. I think his anger management problem will be with him until the day he dies, or is too old and weak to act out.

GET HIM AT ALL COSTS U GUYS ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND THIS GUY IS ONE OF THE TOP 10 or 15 PLAYERS IN THE NBA GET HIM GET HIM GET HIM NO MATTER WAT!!!!!

MSG's "Sportsdesk" reports that he said he could be back for the playoffs. Is that true? If I was Stern, I wouldn't let him play.

Posted by Ira:

I'd seriously consider some of the deals mentioned - especially Thomas for Artest if the Artest would recognize that he has problems and get help for those problems.

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quote:Originally posted by Ira:

I'd seriously consider some of the deals mentioned - especially Thomas for Artest if the Artest would recognize that he has problems and get help for those problems.

Yeah, I guess if it was TT for Artest straight up (I can't imagine that happening), and he went through bona fide, intensive anger management, I would do the deal.

FWIW, Bird called Artest one of the ten best players in the game on ESPN

I saw an interview with him where he discussed his refusal take take medication to control his temper.In my unprofessional opinion its pretty obvious he needs to be on something and until he does I wouldnt want to even consider bringing him to NY.

Medication can also work against Artest because he thrives on intensity and medication my dull what he uses to play at such a high level.

Its all guesswork of course but Id rather see Isiah get someone who may not be as good as Artest but doesnt have the capacity to seriously hurt a franchise the way Artest has.

[Edited by - kwazimodal on 11/23/2004 09:43:25]