Thibs boxes guys in I think

I’d like to see grimes especially play less rigid and less of a 3 and D role - more of a ball handler and driver - just all around offed game

Nalod wrote:Why would motivate Thibs to hold his players back?

Well if the Knicks had gotten 4 more wins this past season, it would have had them tied with the 5th best record in the league and by default Thibs would be on the “hot seat” to start the next season under the assumed presumption that he needs to duplicate or beat that result. And now he can sit back and cross the 50 win mark with ease and get that fat extension he has been shooting for since he signed.

But then he will really be held to the fire cause after you win 50 games that hot seat gets hotter, you need to win the title.

It makes total sense to hold guys back. Cause coaches don’t want to be on the hot seat.

Vmart wrote:Thibs is winning coach. Whatever he is doing is good for the Knicks, playoffs is the goal and he delivered that. If you want player development well that will have no place as it is about getting to the playoffs. In a perfect world Obi would have gotten a lot more time and development space. I look at Michael Porter playing at SF position and wondered why Obi can’t, the similarities between the two is there. Thibs has earned the opportunity to continue as long as the team is making the playoffs. Most Knicks fans are content after being so bad for so long with playoffs. This organization has never been about championships. It’s like getting Josh Hart and all of a sudden he has a bigger role than Obi. No wonder Obi lost it. Obi has given Thibs 40 point games, 18 in the playoffs only to get benched the next game or log very little court time the next game. We have to realize Thibs is not championship coach, he has a controlling mind set so there will never be a free flow on the offensive side. Defensively that requires a lot of control and barking instructions, Thibs is really good at that. That’s is Thibs calling card. Even if a player is giving 18-20 points if his defense is off he will quickly realize that aspect and totally neglect the offensive side. There is no balance between the two. Defense does keep you in games and that’s where the Knicks are.

You don’t get to a better record and playoffs without your players getting better and then team getting better.

To get better, you need to develop.

This ain’t rocket science.

What you do have is lots and lots fans who barely understand what actual develop looks like when it’s right in front of their faces.

But keep focusing on that one player who was National player of the year and then shat his pants once he first got onto an NBA court. Life is tough some times and some times you need to stand up and start to fight to get better. Nothing handed to you in this world unless you are very very lucky.

martin wrote:Thibs is only good at taking one of the youngest rotations in the league and over performing.

And yelling. Most coaches don’t yell. Especially if you don’t open your eyes and look, then it’s not there.

gradyandrew wrote:

martin wrote:Thibs is only good at taking one of the youngest rotations in the league and over performing.

And yelling. Most coaches don’t yell. Especially if you don’t open your eyes and look, then it’s not there.

Yeah man. I think Knicks are finally developing a culture as evidenced by RJ giving Clyde cupcakes on his birthday. Clyde let it drop that all the guys call him the OG. It's been a long, long time since this franchise has had some pride and you saw that in the playoffs when Jessica Alba showed up, in addition to the 90's Knicks. It says a lot that Fournier rode pine all year and was still cheering his teammates on come playoffs. I don't really know what the expectations could have been for last season if you felt let down.

Obi did not bring A-list all time great Knick fans like Alba!!!!
Fact is obi should be frustrated but its a tough ass business!
Many players don’t love Thibs becuase he don’t play them but do the players that do play, they seem to really like him! Players don’t want to be in the dog house, they want to be in the residence!!!
ITs where you get paid.
If Obi can find a good trade, like to a team that will play him and return fair value perhaps knicks are amenable to that.

Could get more from rj and obi and McBride

Could have gotten out of EF also - guy looks like Jordan when he plays for France

If a coach can develop one player, he must be held accountable to develop all players equally, otherwise blame much be given.

Every coach in the NBA must be blamed because there are players on the roster that are not developing. There is no one that escapes blame and this is essential in spreading the blame around.

Players also get blamed for not knowing how to develop themselves.

Finding and targeting blame is key to understanding the developmental blame process.

And I also think he is sometimes too rigid and overly loyal to specific players. Kind of a my way or the highway type of authority that sometimes doesn't take advantage of some player diversity we have/had had.

I do think he has developed IQ, Grimes and McBride very well. I don't think he puts Toppin in a position to succeed but also suspect that Toppin is not serious enough for Thibs style and respect needed (a personality and/or generational thing perhaps)? Similar with Cam and while it seems true Cam didn't have what it takes - we are again looking for a 6'8 long athletic wing. Makes me wonder what we will seek in a backup PF once Toppin is eventually moved...

I do think he could have tried to better utilize his strengths and showed a somewhat longer leash as that is part of developement. Thibs seems to give a long leash to Randle, RJ, etc... IMO your veteran players need a shorter leash b/c they have gone through what the younger players still need to work through when trying to bring them up to a higher level of dedication, skill development and mental toughness.

I'd give him an B+ with this roster but do wish that Thibs or Randle moves on at some point because that combination does not seem like a good one IMO.

I watch Spoelstra and see him as similar but with a more creative approach and flexibility to pivot as he coaches at times. I think Spol is the best coach in the league at the moment.

Caseloads wrote:Props on the development of iq

Could get more from rj and obi and McBride

Could have gotten out of EF also - guy looks like Jordan when he plays for France

Im being silly... literally how are you quantifying that statement? You just watch and when Obi/RJ/McBide are clanging 3s and making low IQ moves you just know it's the coaching?

Its the starting to get good circle jerk...

1 We need a better coach our players suck
2 hey we winning. I like these players
3 why arent these players winning more
4 must be the coaching helping them back
5 we need a new coach