...having left Pheonix? They're leading the Pac div, and have the league leading scorer in Stoudamire. BTW, Nash is averaging 11.6 APG, but 13.6 APG after the first 3 games! Holy crap! That's a lot of assists!

the year they traded him they had a lot of injuries, and Amare missed over 30 games. The year before Amare was ROY, and Marbury led them to the playoffs and a near upset of the Spurs. That offseason Marbs, Amare and Marion were featured on the cover of SI with a capton saying something like "Rising Suns."

Also by moving Marbury AND Penny they were able to sign 2 big players. They would not have been able to upgrade the roster that way if they didnt make the trade.

Its was a gamble because even with cap space there was no guarentee the would get players, but give them credit for getting Nash and Richardson.

It was a good trade for both team IMO and one I think neither has any regrets about.

it really looks like they did some thinking... they put 4 guys that can really score and are athletic around Nash, a guy that can really move the ball around. Nash can score himself. But if I had to choose I would rather have Nash and QRich than Marb and Penny. But I would also rather have Marb and Penny over McDyess, Eisley, Ward and Lampe.

While I think the Suns have a great future and are a good team I'm going to wait a little while to reserve judgement.

Their wins so far...

Atlanta
Philadelphia
New Jersey
Chicago
Dallas
New Orleans
L.A. Lakers
L.A. Clippers

A couple good teams...but mostly easy ones.

(losses to Cavs and Sac)

Posted by fishmike:

it really looks like they did some thinking... they put 4 guys that can really score and are athletic around Nash, a guy that can really move the ball around. Nash can score himself. But if I had to choose I would rather have Nash and QRich than Marb and Penny. But I would also rather have Marb and Penny over McDyess, Eisley, Ward and Lampe.

Weren't you one of the guys saying that phoenix made the move mostly to save money and that there weren't trying to win now? Now you say they did some thinking,naw I think you did some thinking. Myself and Briggs were on a thread how Brilliant the suns were, some laughed like we were crazy or something. I for one am happy we are trying to gel at this time, because what Phoenix did was so wise on their part. When we play them that will be one of the most highly anticipated game of the yr for knicks fans.

When all is said and done, in this draft we got Marbury and Penny (from PHO) and Ariza.

Suns are a flash in the pan...they are still an injury away from the lottery, while the knicks have an injury and are competing for the 3rd seed in the east.

Marbury is stiffling himself because he thinks he has to...once we get a few wins over 500 (next 7 games) he will explode to be the 20/10 career guard he was built to be. Regardless of what happens with the Houston and Crawford rotation, they will combine for 35 to 40 a game. TT puts in his now expected 10 points a game and we are well on our way to a title...yeah, I said it...title.

Damn kool aid. :o)

Posted by fishmike:

If Nash resigns with Dallas and LAC match Richardson's offer sheet the Suns are at best a 40 win team. What brilliant about that? It was a money saving move. There has never been any given that cap space will get you FAs. Its a good move now because Pho turned one good player in Marbs into 2 good players and lost a lousy contract. When they did that there was no guarentee of anything except a slimmer payroll.

If ands and but's that's all you got fishy? mto play for the warm climate teams when the winter time comes around. Phoenix when under the cap will ALWAYS be an attractive place to play for free agents.

[Edited by - playa2 on 11/23/2004 16:51:45]

Yes, but we didn't only give up a 1st to get Marbs and Penny. If we go by that logic, we threw McDyess, Ward, Eisley, and Lampe back in the NCAA.
But it doesn't really matter.

Posted by rvhoss:

When all is said and done, in this draft we got Marbury and Penny (from PHO) and Ariza.

Suns are a flash in the pan...they are still an injury away from the lottery, while the knicks have an injury and are competing for the 3rd seed in the east.

Marbury is stiffling himself because he thinks he has to...once we get a few wins over 500 (next 7 games) he will explode to be the 20/10 career guard he was built to be. Regardless of what happens with the Houston and Crawford rotation, they will combine for 35 to 40 a game. TT puts in his now expected 10 points a game and we are well on our way to a title...yeah, I said it...title.

Damn kool aid. :o)

Suns in the lottery? Uh, no. They're the new Kings, but better.

That said, I don't think Marbury looks back to Phoenix with TOO much regret. He's been waiting his whole career to get to NYC and he's finally here. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to let Isiah build around him. If you gave Marbury the choice of winning a championship in Phoenix, AZ or New York, NY, which do you think he would choose?

playa, youve done a good job at saying nothing. What point exactly are you trying to make?

it doesnt hurt that Amare is leading the NBA in scoring either.