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SergioNYK
Posts: 22530 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/8/2002 Member: #333 USA |
5/22/2023 12:14 PM
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martin
Posts: 75991 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
5/22/2023 12:29 PM
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39742 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
5/22/2023 1:06 PM
He would e been legendary if he showed more consistency in his hat game.
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Nalod
Posts: 71065 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/22/2023 1:35 PM
never loved the guy or really hated him either. He is a deservingly first round HOF
I never “blamed him” for our shortcomings as the team with him was thin around him. He did not have any “great knick moments” other than some cool individual ones. Playoff fizzle ten yeas ago was not on him as the team just aged out. Shame his career here also fizzled out. He wanted to be here. That mattered. |
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Knixkik
Posts: 35411 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
5/22/2023 2:02 PM
The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left.
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KnickDanger
Posts: 24375 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/30/2017 Member: #7578 |
5/22/2023 2:28 PM
Knixkik wrote:The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left. You're right, asset wise it would be a hell of a lot more for him now. Anyway, what we wanted was a Lebron level game changer. What we got was...well Melo. Great offensive player not surrounded with enough talent. Nothing against the guy at all but not putting his poster on my wall. |
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Nalod
Posts: 71065 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/22/2023 2:57 PM
Knixkik wrote:The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left. Made out like thieves as we got the best player but to point our best post Melo trade season was 54 wins. Nuggs won 57 that year. Nuggs never went anywere nor did we. |
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Swishfm3
Posts: 23309 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2003 Member: #392 |
5/22/2023 3:07 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Knixkik wrote:The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left. “Lebron level game changer” always consisted of Lebron and another “superstar”. Carmelo closest superstar, with the Knicks, was oft-injured Stoudamire. I’ve wondered how things would have gone for the Knicks if they amnestied STAT instead of Billups. |
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Nalod
Posts: 71065 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/22/2023 4:04 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Knixkik wrote:The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left. Might want to review the timeline. Trade for Melo was in Amare's first year here. Billups was with us the end of that year. We'd have had 4 years still of amare's contract I believe. even spread over 7 years it was a big number. |
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KnickDanger
Posts: 24375 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/30/2017 Member: #7578 |
5/22/2023 4:09 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Knixkik wrote:The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left. Not disagreeing with your main points, but Lebron way > than Carmelo. Defense, assists, work ethic - for starters. Back to my point - we thought we were getting the next best thing. I sure did anyway. Not the way it went. |
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Chandler
Posts: 26774 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
5/22/2023 4:30 PM
I wish him well that said, he did have talent with him here. his failings were not for lack of talent around him. He just didn't complement it. And he never seemed to be the least interested in sacrificing any part of his game for the greater good. Other may disagree, but i continue to think he Was too busy with dancers, drinking wine and wanting to be a celebrity while in NY and while some say he wanted to be here, as recently as 2 years ago (after his departure from the Knicks) he was saying he never wanted to be traded from Denver. Who knows, maybe he just had hurt feelings and wanted to give another dig at NYK. And if he did want to be here, we should acknowledge that we would have been better if he just waited until seasons end and joined as a FA (like Durant did with GSW). Instead we traded away a lot of depth and draft assets including the pick swap that netted J.Murray (currently killing it for Denver).
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Alpha1971
Posts: 23312 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 1/17/2022 Member: #9006 |
5/22/2023 6:21 PM
Chandler wrote: Right we gave him Bargnani, what else did he need ? |
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27944 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
5/22/2023 7:17 PM LAST EDITED: 5/22/2023 9:54 PM
Congrats to Melo!
A shame he was not signed by someone after the year he had. Would have given him a chance to do a retirement tour and for fans to show their appreciation. Heck, Knicks could have used his 3pt shooting. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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Philc1
Posts: 28279 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
5/22/2023 9:30 PM
Knixkik wrote:The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left. The media really over exaggerated the package we gave up. We offered Ainge a bigger and better package last summer for Mitchell and he turned it down. The real problem with getting Melo was Amare wasn’t the right superstar to team up with him. Both guys occupied the same floor space on offense and neither played defense plus Amare was at the end of his career anyway
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KnickDanger
Posts: 24375 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/30/2017 Member: #7578 |
5/22/2023 11:21 PM
Jamal Murray, taken with one of the picks given up in the trade, doing pretty well btw.
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Nalod
Posts: 71065 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/23/2023 8:23 AM
Chandler wrote: Bit presumptive with his personal life bleeding his career? Fact is he needed to lose weight and recommit to work on his body. He declined fast without it. Lebron always put that work in. Melo Elongated his career after the big contract was up by putting it in. Easy for fans to say “He could have done more”. The whole “Waited to be a FA”? No, He could have opted out but he needed surgery and was walking into a work stoppage. Jamal Murray was a trade swap with our 7th pick. |
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Chandler
Posts: 26774 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
5/23/2023 8:29 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:Chandler wrote: This is a pretty dumb response. He had quality people here too. Maybe you can identify some players whose game he elevated or parts of his game he sacrificed We paint him as someone who wanted to come here, but omit things like he wanted to leave for Chicago shortly after == and those are his words. He stayed here because Chicago would only go to like 17/year and we were offering a lot more. If he was such a NY guy why would he do the whole FA tour other than as a vanity play. Unfortunately for him the response he got was bit ego deflating (5)(7)
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Nalod
Posts: 71065 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
5/23/2023 11:36 AM
Philc1 wrote:Knixkik wrote:The longest running argument and I’ll say when you look at the cost of stars now, the Knicks really made out like thieves getting a top 10 player in his mid 20s via trade. Today it’s totally different. What happened after the Knicks got melo is a different story. I don’t blame him. It was a great run he had. I remember really looking forward to him coming out of high school. I remember him being compared to Antoine Walker, which wasn’t so much a bad thing back them. I thought his offensive game at Cuse was ahead of its time. Times like this make me feel old. He was part of my era. Only Lebron and CP3 left. Your contrasting media coverage based on a trade done 12 years after (Mitchell). |