Off top of my head. Randle, RJ, Grimes, Mitch, Fournier, multiple 1st for Embiid and Harris.

I like Tobias Harris but I'd really look into what it'd take to re-direct him to a 3rd team. He and a pick/cash for Gordon Hayward AND a sign-and-traded Miles Bridges has a lot of appeal for me. It saves the Hornets money, gives them an out of the Bridges' situation while recouping a capable player, but gives us a guy with legitimate star power to stymie the loss of depth that an Embiid trade would cause.

NardDogNation wrote:For the record, I don't think a Darryl Morey run operation would put much emphasis on picks. He's always been a win-now guy, so the key to finding a deal is to package those picks for actual talent. I think a Karl Anthony Towns would serve that end and should have an obvious appeal due to his floor-spacing and passing abilities. Randle and some picks for Towns, Towns and our youth for Embiid and Harris should be the framework we seek.

Oh, Morey would take picks and everything else he can get his hands on. We're talking about the "MVP."But would Embiid make sense if you're gutting the entire team? My concern with Towns is that he's a negative defensively. To weak and spatially unaware to play 5 and to slow to plug into the 4. My interest would come down to knowing what other moves would the team make to smooth out the roster.

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:For the record, I don't think a Darryl Morey run operation would put much emphasis on picks. He's always been a win-now guy, so the key to finding a deal is to package those picks for actual talent. I think a Karl Anthony Towns would serve that end and should have an obvious appeal due to his floor-spacing and passing abilities. Randle and some picks for Towns, Towns and our youth for Embiid and Harris should be the framework we seek.

Oh, Morey would take picks and everything else he can get his hands on. We're talking about the "MVP."But would Embiid make sense if you're gutting the entire team? My concern with Towns is that he's a negative defensively. To weak and spatially unaware to play 5 and to slow to plug into the 4. My interest would come down to knowing what other moves would the team make to smooth out the roster.

I think picks will be a part of the deal but they can't be the essence of the deal. I don't think Morey's history suggests that he values them as others do. I posed this question in another thread but outside of Aaron Brooks, Terrence Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and the Lithuanian dude they drafted in 2011, how many first round picks of their's can you even recall? And of the aforementioned, how many of them were core to the team long-term?

As for KAT, I detest his game. I don't think it is conducive to playoff success but he still is useful, particularly during the regular season. He'd allow them to remain competitive and allow the remaining pieces on their team to make sense. They'd absolutely be a worse team but I think there are parallels/precedent in the DeMarr Derozan and Jakob Poetl for Kawhi Leonard trade in that sense.

NardDogNation wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:For the record, I don't think a Darryl Morey run operation would put much emphasis on picks. He's always been a win-now guy, so the key to finding a deal is to package those picks for actual talent. I think a Karl Anthony Towns would serve that end and should have an obvious appeal due to his floor-spacing and passing abilities. Randle and some picks for Towns, Towns and our youth for Embiid and Harris should be the framework we seek.

Oh, Morey would take picks and everything else he can get his hands on. We're talking about the "MVP."But would Embiid make sense if you're gutting the entire team? My concern with Towns is that he's a negative defensively. To weak and spatially unaware to play 5 and to slow to plug into the 4. My interest would come down to knowing what other moves would the team make to smooth out the roster.

I think picks will be a part of the deal but they can't be the essence of the deal. I don't think Morey's history suggests that he values them as others do. I posed this question in another thread but outside of Aaron Brooks, Terrence Jones, Jeremy Lamb, Royce White and the Lithuanian dude they drafted in 2011, how many first round picks of their's can you even recall? And of the aforementioned, how many of them were core to the team long-term?

As for KAT, I detest his game. I don't think it is conducive to playoff success but he still is useful, particularly during the regular season. He'd allow them to remain competitive and allow the remaining pieces on their team to make sense. They'd absolutely be a worse team but I think there are parallels/precedent in the DeMarr Derozan and Jakob Poetl for Kawhi Leonard trade in that sense.

Yeah, Morey would see the first rounders as chips to flip for another star. He would want picks, along with everything else. IQ, Grimes, Obi, RJ.... Maybe Randle. His asking price would dwarf Ainge's asking price for Mitchell and I'm not sure I have the stomach for that.

newyorknewyork wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Look what the Wolves gave up for Gobert. Think Emblid will be less? Also same division and all that. Pipe dream.

I am really against these type of ideas. Continue to build realistically and soberly. Not what some want I know.

-Wolves only had Beasley as a decently productive player in the deal which is why they had to trade so many draft picks. Randle and RJ reduce the amount of draft picks needed to be sent back.

-I don't see the great options for Philly. If Harden bolts how do they improve? Why would Embiid want to stay? Knicks have the collection proven talent, prospects and draft picks that not many other teams have. Where they can have a playoff team to buy time with added draft capital flexibility to make future moves.

- This is part of building. The nice thing about this team is the amount of depth. Even if we did the proposed deal in the op. The team would still feature Embiid, Obi, Harris, Hart, Brunson, IQ, Hartenstien, Mcbride, Simms (Rokas?). And should still have some decent draft capital left over.

Jazz also got Vanderbilt who a lot of posters here were wanting. And Walker Kessler, an NBA player it would seem. But then there's those 4 firsts, 3 unprotected, 1 top 5 protected, plus a swap.

But my point is really if that is what it cost for Gobert, then what is going to cost for Emblid? Much more I think.

Papabear wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I’m at the point where I don’t mind giving up the picks and youth for an elite player like Embiid because we have the superstar in Brunson and the guys we are most excited about like Quickley and Grimes really fell apart in the postseason. We didn’t have anyone really solidify their value despite the rather successful post season. We saw some really good and really bad game from Barrett. We saw playoff Randle. We saw IQ and grimes really just shrink. It was Brunson and all Brunson. Obviously Hart stepped up at times but he’s an elite role player as opposed to a breakout young guy. I’m happy staying the course but we have a star in Brunson now so that window to build around him is here now.

Papabear Says

Why would you think that after we give up everything we will have a better team than what Philly have now. And if Burnson get hurt we are done. Embiid won the MVP but nothing else. It seems he folds during playoff times also.