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3/30/2023  11:06 AM
Seems like in top 10 would include Ant, Ball, Hali, Maxey, IQ, Bane.

What's your order? Here is mine but I know nothing about Maxey, Bane or Ball really. Or Hali or Ant lol

1. Ant
2. IQ
3. Hali
4. Ball
5. Maxey
6. Bane
7.
8.
9.
10. 

                                                                       
                           Roun Tota  Per Per Per Adva  Adva  Adva Adva
Pk    Tm             Player Yrs    G  PTS TRB AST   WS WS/48   BPM VORP
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1    MIN    Anthony Edwards   3  218 21.7 5.1 3.7  8.8  .057   0.1  3.9
2    GSW      James Wiseman   2   78 10.7 5.8 0.7  2.0  .061  -4.1 -0.8
3    CHO        LaMelo Ball   3  162 19.4 6.4 7.3 10.5  .098   2.7  6.2
4    CHI   Patrick Williams   3  164  9.6 4.3 1.3  6.4  .067  -1.9  0.1
5    CLE        Isaac Okoro   3  210  8.2 2.8 1.6  9.4  .078  -2.6 -0.8
6    ATL     Onyeka Okongwu   3  172  7.8 5.7 0.8 12.8  .185   0.4  2.0
7    DET      Killian Hayes   3  162  8.1 2.9 5.2 -1.3 -.015  -4.3 -2.5
8    NYK         Obi Toppin   3  196  6.6 2.9 0.8  6.8  .116   0.3  1.6
9    WAS        Deni Avdija   3  210  8.1 5.5 2.1  6.2  .058  -2.2 -0.2
10   PHO        Jalen Smith   3  143  7.8 5.0 0.7  4.8  .102  -1.9  0.1
11   SAS      Devin Vassell   3  171 11.2 3.7 1.9  6.1  .070  -0.5  1.5
12   SAC  Tyrese Haliburton   3  191 16.2 3.6 8.0 18.2  .138   3.6  9.0
13   NOP     Kira Lewis Jr.   3  102  5.8 1.4 1.9  1.3  .042  -3.1 -0.4
14   BOS      Aaron Nesmith   3  166  6.6 2.8 0.8  3.2  .052  -3.4 -1.1
15   ORL       Cole Anthony   3  168 14.2 4.9 4.6  4.9  .050  -1.1  1.1
16   POR     Isaiah Stewart   3  189  9.0 7.8 1.1  9.5  .097  -2.2 -0.3
17   MIN Aleksej Pokusevski   3  139  7.9 4.9 2.1 -0.5 -.009  -3.2 -0.9
18   DAL         Josh Green   3  163  5.8 2.5 1.3  5.4  .089  -2.1 -0.1
19   BRK         Saddiq Bey   3  223 14.2 4.9 1.9 10.6  .078  -0.5  2.6
20   MIA   Precious Achiuwa   3  183  7.7 5.3 0.9  5.6  .077  -3.0 -0.8
21   PHI       Tyrese Maxey   3  193 15.4 2.7 3.3 14.4  .126   0.2  3.1
22   DEN         Zeke Nnaji   3  131  4.9 2.5 0.3  4.3  .120  -2.4 -0.2
23   NYK    Leandro Bolmaro   2   49  1.1 1.0 0.6 -0.3 -.048  -7.8 -0.5
24   MIL       R.J. Hampton   3  156  7.1 2.8 1.9  0.8  .013  -3.7 -1.3
25   OKC  Immanuel Quickley   3  218 12.4 3.2 3.0 13.6  .125   1.0  3.9
26   BOS   Payton Pritchard   3  183  6.4 2.0 1.7  5.9  .099  -0.6  1.0
27   UTA     Udoka Azubuike   3   63  3.0 2.7 0.1  1.4  .140  -1.2  0.1
28   LAL    Jaden McDaniels   3  207  9.5 3.9 1.4  8.1  .070  -2.4 -0.6
29   TOR      Malachi Flynn   3  140  5.5 1.8 1.9  2.2  .051  -2.8 -0.4
30   BOS       Desmond Bane   3  197 16.0 4.1 2.8 15.4  .135   2.0  5.5

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3/30/2023  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2023  4:24 PM
10) It's
9) Too
8) Soon
7) To
6) Predict
5) How
4) They
3) Will
2) Develop
1) Immanuel Quickley

I think Bey and Anthony move into the top 10. Glad we traded down from Leandra Bolmaro, who I definitely had to Google just now.
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3/30/2023  4:23 PM
OP didn't say anything about how they would develop. Let's say you redraft the class today. That's all...

MaTT4281 wrote:10) It's
9) Too
8) Soon
7) To
6) Predict
5) How
4) They
3) Will
2) Develop
1) Immanuel Quickley
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3/30/2023  4:24 PM
Panos wrote:OP didn't say anything about how they would develop. Let's say you redraft the class today. That's all...

MaTT4281 wrote:10) It's
9) Too
8) Soon
7) To
6) Predict
5) How
4) They
3) Will
2) Develop
1) Immanuel Quickley

Ok, so it was bad joke just to wind up with Quickley as number 1. My aim is off. This is what you get at 4PM on a work day.
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3/30/2023  4:27 PM
martin wrote:Seems like in top 10 would include Ant, Ball, Hali, Maxey, IQ, Bane.

What's your order? Here is mine but I know nothing about Maxey, Bane or Ball really. Or Hali or Ant lol

1. Ant
2. IQ
3. Hali
4. Ball
5. Maxey
6. Bane
7.
8.
9.
10. 

                                                                       
                           Roun Tota  Per Per Per Adva  Adva  Adva Adva
Pk    Tm             Player Yrs    G  PTS TRB AST   WS WS/48   BPM VORP
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1    MIN    Anthony Edwards   3  218 21.7 5.1 3.7  8.8  .057   0.1  3.9
2    GSW      James Wiseman   2   78 10.7 5.8 0.7  2.0  .061  -4.1 -0.8
3    CHO        LaMelo Ball   3  162 19.4 6.4 7.3 10.5  .098   2.7  6.2
4    CHI   Patrick Williams   3  164  9.6 4.3 1.3  6.4  .067  -1.9  0.1
5    CLE        Isaac Okoro   3  210  8.2 2.8 1.6  9.4  .078  -2.6 -0.8
6    ATL     Onyeka Okongwu   3  172  7.8 5.7 0.8 12.8  .185   0.4  2.0
7    DET      Killian Hayes   3  162  8.1 2.9 5.2 -1.3 -.015  -4.3 -2.5
8    NYK         Obi Toppin   3  196  6.6 2.9 0.8  6.8  .116   0.3  1.6
9    WAS        Deni Avdija   3  210  8.1 5.5 2.1  6.2  .058  -2.2 -0.2
10   PHO        Jalen Smith   3  143  7.8 5.0 0.7  4.8  .102  -1.9  0.1
11   SAS      Devin Vassell   3  171 11.2 3.7 1.9  6.1  .070  -0.5  1.5
12   SAC  Tyrese Haliburton   3  191 16.2 3.6 8.0 18.2  .138   3.6  9.0
13   NOP     Kira Lewis Jr.   3  102  5.8 1.4 1.9  1.3  .042  -3.1 -0.4
14   BOS      Aaron Nesmith   3  166  6.6 2.8 0.8  3.2  .052  -3.4 -1.1
15   ORL       Cole Anthony   3  168 14.2 4.9 4.6  4.9  .050  -1.1  1.1
16   POR     Isaiah Stewart   3  189  9.0 7.8 1.1  9.5  .097  -2.2 -0.3
17   MIN Aleksej Pokusevski   3  139  7.9 4.9 2.1 -0.5 -.009  -3.2 -0.9
18   DAL         Josh Green   3  163  5.8 2.5 1.3  5.4  .089  -2.1 -0.1
19   BRK         Saddiq Bey   3  223 14.2 4.9 1.9 10.6  .078  -0.5  2.6
20   MIA   Precious Achiuwa   3  183  7.7 5.3 0.9  5.6  .077  -3.0 -0.8
21   PHI       Tyrese Maxey   3  193 15.4 2.7 3.3 14.4  .126   0.2  3.1
22   DEN         Zeke Nnaji   3  131  4.9 2.5 0.3  4.3  .120  -2.4 -0.2
23   NYK    Leandro Bolmaro   2   49  1.1 1.0 0.6 -0.3 -.048  -7.8 -0.5
24   MIL       R.J. Hampton   3  156  7.1 2.8 1.9  0.8  .013  -3.7 -1.3
25   OKC  Immanuel Quickley   3  218 12.4 3.2 3.0 13.6  .125   1.0  3.9
26   BOS   Payton Pritchard   3  183  6.4 2.0 1.7  5.9  .099  -0.6  1.0
27   UTA     Udoka Azubuike   3   63  3.0 2.7 0.1  1.4  .140  -1.2  0.1
28   LAL    Jaden McDaniels   3  207  9.5 3.9 1.4  8.1  .070  -2.4 -0.6
29   TOR      Malachi Flynn   3  140  5.5 1.8 1.9  2.2  .051  -2.8 -0.4
30   BOS       Desmond Bane   3  197 16.0 4.1 2.8 15.4  .135   2.0  5.5

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I’ll go…..with quick top 10 below.

Ant
Hali —— me personally I could go Hali #1
IQ
Maxey
Bane
Ball —— have concerns with him physically and is more flash vs substance
Stewart
Hayes
Obi
McDaniels
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3/30/2023  5:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2023  5:48 PM
martin wrote:Seems like in top 10 would include Ant, Ball, Hali, Maxey, IQ, Bane.

What's your order? Here is mine but I know nothing about Maxey, Bane or Ball really. Or Hali or Ant lol

1. Ant
2. IQ
3. Hali
4. Ball
5. Maxey
6. Bane
7.
8.
9.
10. 

                                                                       
                           Roun Tota  Per Per Per Adva  Adva  Adva Adva
Pk    Tm             Player Yrs    G  PTS TRB AST   WS WS/48   BPM VORP
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1    MIN    Anthony Edwards   3  218 21.7 5.1 3.7  8.8  .057   0.1  3.9
2    GSW      James Wiseman   2   78 10.7 5.8 0.7  2.0  .061  -4.1 -0.8
3    CHO        LaMelo Ball   3  162 19.4 6.4 7.3 10.5  .098   2.7  6.2
4    CHI   Patrick Williams   3  164  9.6 4.3 1.3  6.4  .067  -1.9  0.1
5    CLE        Isaac Okoro   3  210  8.2 2.8 1.6  9.4  .078  -2.6 -0.8
6    ATL     Onyeka Okongwu   3  172  7.8 5.7 0.8 12.8  .185   0.4  2.0
7    DET      Killian Hayes   3  162  8.1 2.9 5.2 -1.3 -.015  -4.3 -2.5
8    NYK         Obi Toppin   3  196  6.6 2.9 0.8  6.8  .116   0.3  1.6
9    WAS        Deni Avdija   3  210  8.1 5.5 2.1  6.2  .058  -2.2 -0.2
10   PHO        Jalen Smith   3  143  7.8 5.0 0.7  4.8  .102  -1.9  0.1
11   SAS      Devin Vassell   3  171 11.2 3.7 1.9  6.1  .070  -0.5  1.5
12   SAC  Tyrese Haliburton   3  191 16.2 3.6 8.0 18.2  .138   3.6  9.0
13   NOP     Kira Lewis Jr.   3  102  5.8 1.4 1.9  1.3  .042  -3.1 -0.4
14   BOS      Aaron Nesmith   3  166  6.6 2.8 0.8  3.2  .052  -3.4 -1.1
15   ORL       Cole Anthony   3  168 14.2 4.9 4.6  4.9  .050  -1.1  1.1
16   POR     Isaiah Stewart   3  189  9.0 7.8 1.1  9.5  .097  -2.2 -0.3
17   MIN Aleksej Pokusevski   3  139  7.9 4.9 2.1 -0.5 -.009  -3.2 -0.9
18   DAL         Josh Green   3  163  5.8 2.5 1.3  5.4  .089  -2.1 -0.1
19   BRK         Saddiq Bey   3  223 14.2 4.9 1.9 10.6  .078  -0.5  2.6
20   MIA   Precious Achiuwa   3  183  7.7 5.3 0.9  5.6  .077  -3.0 -0.8
21   PHI       Tyrese Maxey   3  193 15.4 2.7 3.3 14.4  .126   0.2  3.1
22   DEN         Zeke Nnaji   3  131  4.9 2.5 0.3  4.3  .120  -2.4 -0.2
23   NYK    Leandro Bolmaro   2   49  1.1 1.0 0.6 -0.3 -.048  -7.8 -0.5
24   MIL       R.J. Hampton   3  156  7.1 2.8 1.9  0.8  .013  -3.7 -1.3
25   OKC  Immanuel Quickley   3  218 12.4 3.2 3.0 13.6  .125   1.0  3.9
26   BOS   Payton Pritchard   3  183  6.4 2.0 1.7  5.9  .099  -0.6  1.0
27   UTA     Udoka Azubuike   3   63  3.0 2.7 0.1  1.4  .140  -1.2  0.1
28   LAL    Jaden McDaniels   3  207  9.5 3.9 1.4  8.1  .070  -2.4 -0.6
29   TOR      Malachi Flynn   3  140  5.5 1.8 1.9  2.2  .051  -2.8 -0.4
30   BOS       Desmond Bane   3  197 16.0 4.1 2.8 15.4  .135   2.0  5.5

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1 Edwards
2 Haliburton
3 Ball
4 Quickley
5 Bane
6 Maxey

I feel like that’s the order right now but very much subject to change. But with Ball the injuries could bump him down to 6.
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3/30/2023  6:24 PM
hard to pick IQ before Bane or Maxey... those guys have been a tier above IQ longer, but damn if our guy isnt high lottery quality at the very least.

IQ in 17 games as a starter this year: 21/5/5 on .598 TS% and 85 assists to 17 TOs in those 17 games (39 minutes)

wow

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3/30/2023  7:09 PM
I pretty much only see stat lines for the other guys - can anyone comment on their defense relative to IQ?
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3/31/2023  7:39 AM
Hate to go full Wally here but going forward I take IQ over Halliburton
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3/31/2023  7:45 AM
Edwards - all star
Maxey - consistently awesome
Ball - all star
Bane - consistently very good
Halliburton - all star
IQ - now if IQ becomes consistent or an all star, then great. He’s a 6th man for sure
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3/31/2023  8:06 AM
fishmike wrote:hard to pick IQ before Bane or Maxey... those guys have been a tier above IQ longer, but damn if our guy isnt high lottery quality at the very least.

IQ in 17 games as a starter this year: 21/5/5 on .598 TS% and 85 assists to 17 TOs in those 17 games (39 minutes)

wow

I prefer quickley over Maxey and bane right now due to the defense and overall impact. Both are good players but aren’t 2 way players at this point. But it’s close.
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3/31/2023  9:58 AM
Philc1 wrote:Hate to go full Wally here but going forward I take IQ over Halliburton

yeah we all wish we could full Wally, right?

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3/31/2023  10:55 AM
good question

a lot of people have Ant high. I'm not sure i'd put him 1 though because he seems more electric than winning

i agree with comments on Ball. He would be 1 if there were no injury concerns -- compounded by his brother's injuries which might suggest tied to his build and genes

Maxey is a good question, but i think IQ is ascending still and more rapidly than Maxey -- and as others have said his defense and impact might be better than Maxey. His pg play has been better (thus Maxey got moved to secon unit for a good chunk with sixers)

I'd probably put IQ 2 or 3

Hali
Ant
IQ
Ball
Maxey
Bane

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3/31/2023  12:58 PM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Hate to go full Wally here but going forward I take IQ over Halliburton

yeah we all wish we could full Wally, right?

I see what you did there
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3/31/2023  2:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/31/2023  2:35 PM
1) Ant
2) Hali
3) Bane
4) Ball
5)Maxey or IQ (Maxey has been more consistent offensively over longer period of time but I suspect IQ is a tier above him defensively, don't remember too much about Maxey's defense)

I'm also not sure how one can justify IQ above Hali or Bane. They're all flat out better than him by a lot lol

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3/31/2023  4:36 PM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Hate to go full Wally here but going forward I take IQ over Halliburton

yeah we all wish we could full Wally, right?
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3/31/2023  6:14 PM

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Tyrese Haliburton
3. Desmond Bane
4. Tyrese Maxey
5. Immanual Quickley
6. Lamelo Ball
7. Cole Anthony
8. Jaden McDaniel
9. Saddiq Bey
10.Isaiah Stewart
11. Isaac Okoro
12. Obi Toppin
13.Kenyon Martin Jr

This turning out to be a not so great draft but I believe Wiseman can come back and be strong player…and I think players like Bey, Avdija, and Williams can turn out to be serviceable NBA players.

Anthony Edwards is a freak and if you feel otherwise then I don’t know what to tell you. He’s #1 all day but man, is Haliburton close. In my eyes, It’s going to be hard for IQ to leap frog both Maxey and Bane. Those were given much more, well deserved, opportunities than IQ and are ahead of him experience wise.

LaMelo dropped because he didn’t look the same to me after M. Bridges was gone.
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3/31/2023  8:40 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:

1. Anthony Edwards
2. Tyrese Haliburton
3. Desmond Bane
4. Tyrese Maxey
5. Immanual Quickley
6. Lamelo Ball
7. Cole Anthony
8. Jaden McDaniel
9. Saddiq Bey
10.Isaiah Stewart
11. Isaac Okoro
12. Obi Toppin
13.Kenyon Martin Jr

This turning out to be a not so great draft but I believe Wiseman can come back and be strong player…and I think players like Bey, Avdija, and Williams can turn out to be serviceable NBA players.

Anthony Edwards is a freak and if you feel otherwise then I don’t know what to tell you. He’s #1 all day but man, is Haliburton close. In my eyes, It’s going to be hard for IQ to leap frog both Maxey and Bane. Those were given much more, well deserved, opportunities than IQ and are ahead of him experience wise.

LaMelo dropped because he didn’t look the same to me after M. Bridges was gone.

Amazing there’s such a huge drop off after the top 6. Literally falls off a cliff.
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