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EnySpree
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11/20/2004  12:03 PM
Jamal and Steph was set free in this one.

Timmy needs to be benched right now. He was no help in this game. He was the difference between winning and losing regardless of what else happened.

KT get respect. Dude is terrible but is good at what he does do well. Can't hate on him.

I didn't see it live though. I taped it cuz I work the graveyard shift. Decent game though.

Seems like Lenny is having trouble who to play though cuzeveryone is producing except Timmy. Timmy is done even after just these few games. He did have 9 rebounds but I know that cuz I check the stats on my phone at work. After watching the game I didn't really notice it.

Set Ariza free.

Stop playing Moochie and buy him out already.

Go Pacers
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11/20/2004  12:14 PM
I almost forgot... there was a game.

- I am salivating at how Crawford and Marb will play together in a few years. You can almost see the chemistry building.

- TT is worthless, but you HAVE to use him. He is in a deep funk, but he will come out so-so. The time he did have was moderately OK (don't kill me for the, we all have low expectation for him now).

- Penny was horrible yesterday. Don't know if it was the back-to-back, but he looked as slow as molasses out there.

- Moochie will continue to get like 5 minutes a game until Houston comes back. You just have to rest the starting backcourt (especially since TT is not playing will and that means Penny at the 3).

- JYD showed us why Wilkens is in a tough spot with the subs at the 3 and 4 spot. Kurt, Sweets, Ariza, Penny, JYD all should get minutes.

- How about those weird passes that Marbury made to Nazr and TT in the first quarter? To the back of their heads.

- Crawford has to learn not to force passes in traffic. Too much of it, but the will come.
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Rich
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11/20/2004  12:21 PM
This team is a C and a coach away from being able to beat anyone.
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11/20/2004  12:23 PM
Posted by martin:

- How about those weird passes that Marbury made to Nazr and TT in the first quarter? To the back of their heads.

They wer supposed to be aware of the ball especially if they are on offense.

If you get hit with a pass while being wide open and didn't see it coming you need to get your head in the game.

At least he didn't get hit in the face cuz then he had to see it coming...which is true.
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11/20/2004  12:26 PM
Crawford needs to penetrate alot more, I think he picks the ball up too early when he does penetrate, and he gets scared of being called for a charge.

The refs didn't call fouls for the Knicks at all. Ariza went up for this dunk and was clearly fouled, but no call.

T.T played awesome defense on one play when he blocked Stackhouse's reverse dunk attempt. It was nice. He just doesn't seem to be motivated and eager.

Lenny is a weak motivator. He doesn't argue with the refs at all, he just sits there and lets them run all over us. He doesn't define New York.

Moochie is horrible against zone defense. he doesn't orchestrate anything and everyone just stands there.

Sweetney had many good positions downlow, but was missed alot.

JYD played excelent defense on Dirk, but Lenny took him out at a crucial time and the Knicks were forced to used K. Thomas and Nazr to guard him, and they got burnt.
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EnySpree
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11/20/2004  12:28 PM
Posted by Rich:

This team is a C and a coach away from being able to beat anyone.

They need a first option too. Marbs and Craw freelancing and making plays in and out of the offense is what will define the Knicks.

Getting that other guy that can score from the 3 will be the thing that will make the Knicks legit.

Houston is coming but he is the dead eye shooter. That's also important.

Basically we need the Timmy from last year. Tim needs to attack the rim!!!.....at least like KVH used to.....
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11/20/2004  12:32 PM
Yeah, Van Horn would've been a killer on this team. He was doing the little stuff on the knicks. Timmy needs to show up fast. We lost this game by 2 points. I think we should have won.
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11/20/2004  1:46 PM
I just got NBA league pass and saw the Dallas game. Just some observations:

Kurt Thomas's shot was off, as was Penny's ... They probably were tired from playing last night. TT showed a little hustle in the 1st half, but he's still slumping offensively. JYD did a great job on Nowitzki. KT had a silly foul which he fouled out... Marbury should've leaned into the guy running to block him, like the play prior... or at least taken a step to the side.

Overall I like what I see defensively after the adjustments are made. Good time outs by wilkens, double teaming guys that were hot like Stack, and Wallace (a little).
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11/20/2004  1:58 PM
When the opposing team is missing two of its starters and one of its key bench players (who'd be a starter on a lot of other teams) and you still can't pull it out, missing only one starter, who is arguably the most overpaid player in the league, there is not much to be happy about. They played hard, that's good. Nazr is improving, that's good. KT is becoming more and more tradeable, that's good.

Still, this team has Marbury, who just isn't a good PG. He's a very talented player, but he can't play a lick of D, doesn't really know when to pass and when to shoot, and doesn't know how to control the floor. You see him yelling at guys? That doesn't work with most people, even if Marbs is right about their mistakes. He's still learning how to play the game! That's ridiculous. Maybe if he'd stayed in school, he would be better now. I know he WANTS to be better, but he's just not smart enough. The other players will eventually turn on him, like they've done everywhere else. Lenny is soft, everyone in Atlanta and Toronto knows this, but switching him with Suhr, who is well-hated throughout the league, or anyone else, won't make Marbury a great PG. Scott Skiles can't fix Chiacgo, nor could a tough-guy coach fix NY.

The rest of the starters don't deserve to be starters in this league (well, okay maybe in THIS league, since it has too many teams and too many players who don't yet know how to play the actual game as it was intended).

If I had Crawford, TT, KT, and Nazr coming off the bench on my team, I'd feel pretty good about it, but the fact that they're starters at the highest team salary EVER in the league, it's just insane.

Anyway, I don't post often because I always end up saying the same thing. This will continue to be a disappoitning team as long as that fat drunk Dolan owns it. I like the urgency the players seem to have this year, and they play a more exciting game than in years past, and I'm still rooting for them to be better than they should be, and yes, I'm aware that the season just started, but realistically, they'll be fortunate to finish at .500. No trade Isiah makes could possibly get this team out of the middle of the league.

Their only hope to get into the playoffs is the fact they are in the worst division in all professional sports, which I think is what Isiah is betting on. He may be a slimeball, but he's a cunning slimeball.

I don't know, maybe they should trade for Artest. I haven't been to a good fight in a long time.

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11/20/2004  2:06 PM
if you look back our mental lapses (not taking care of the ball) lost us this game in the first qtr.
To me thats unacceptable and it was totally on Marbury. We did play hard and almost beat a very good team. talk about missing starters all you want but Dirk, Stack, Devin, Daniels, Howard.. those are good players and we fought hard, we didnt just always fight well. Hopefully thats something that improved over time.
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11/20/2004  2:42 PM
here is some general weirdness: Where was Pavel Podkolzin?
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11/20/2004  7:35 PM
Posted by Rich:

This team is a C and a coach away from being able to beat anyone.
Yup. And I think the C is Curry.
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11/20/2004  9:55 PM
Posted by martin:

here is some general weirdness: Where was Pavel Podkolzin?

Interesting question. He was going to be the #5 pick the year before if he had stayed in the draft, remember? (And wasn't it amazing to watch last night just how horrible a basketball player Shawn Bradley is?)

On a similar note, someone asked the other day what happened to "Baby Shaq?" Wasn't his name somthing like Skortsanisis? Anybody follow whatever happened to this guy who was also projected as a lottery pick and could have been ours instead of Sweetney?
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11/20/2004  10:51 PM
simple to sum this game up:

good solid fun game where the knicks played hard despite bad play early and lost in a game that they hopefully will learn how to win as the season goes along.
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11/20/2004  10:52 PM
btw, the possession of the game was when penny put up a 3 and crawford got the long rebound and immediately threw up another 3 with 30 on the clock and down 2. that's when you need to dribble it back out and get it in marbury's hands. if you noticed or saw a replay, marbury was on the other side of the court with a "why?" look on him. it's all good and it's growing pains. hopefully crawford will learn and mature...
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11/21/2004  2:14 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by martin:

here is some general weirdness: Where was Pavel Podkolzin?

Interesting question. He was going to be the #5 pick the year before if he had stayed in the draft, remember? (And wasn't it amazing to watch last night just how horrible a basketball player Shawn Bradley is?)

On a similar note, someone asked the other day what happened to "Baby Shaq?" Wasn't his name somthing like Skortsanisis? Anybody follow whatever happened to this guy who was also projected as a lottery pick and could have been ours instead of Sweetney?

the clippers drafted him and I think they are going to let him develop in europe. I heard he is no where near ready for the NBA...
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