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Hypothetical: What would Brooklyn want for Mikal & Ben Simmons this summer?
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martin
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2/14/2023  6:50 PM
Yada yada probably would never go down but what would Nets ask for on this roster and including picks?

Or what would you willing to give up? What’s a fair trade?

Zero clue what Simmons value is on open market - and I’m assuming negative contract - but he seems like toast? So he would be a salary save and then possible luxury tax save for team too if he is off roster.

Mikal would be a gigantic ask.

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2/14/2023  7:06 PM
Just from a math standpoint there are (very) limited combos.

$57 is basically the figure you need to hit to make the cap math work.

Fournier, Barrett and Robinson gets you over the top in just cap math.

Or Fournier, Rose (if you exercise his option to trade him, which is iffy from an ethical standpoint), and Barrett/or Robinson.

That seems so iffy not sure if "fair value" is even worth considering.
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2/14/2023  7:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2023  7:59 PM
Knickoftime wrote:Just from a math standpoint there are (very) limited combos.

$57 is basically the figure you need to hit to make the cap math work.

Fournier, Barrett and Robinson gets you over the top in just cap math.

Or Fournier, Rose (if you exercise his option to trade him, which is iffy from an ethical standpoint), and Barrett/or Robinson.

That seems so iffy not sure if "fair value" is even worth considering.

Knicks would need to be within 125% of the $57M number, obviously under for Brooklyn to get cap relief.

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2/14/2023  7:55 PM
Nets seem less willing to deal with the Knicks since they moved to Brooklyn.
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2/14/2023  7:55 PM
In this hypothetical, how many picks do you think the Nets would need to attach to get 4if of Simmons in a standalone trade?
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2/14/2023  8:05 PM
At this point the cost of offloading Simmons probably doesn’t make him a realistic target. They would almost have to offer bridges just to take that contract.
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2/14/2023  8:10 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:In this hypothetical, how many picks do you think the Nets would need to attach to get 4if of Simmons in a standalone trade?

Right, that’s the crux of it and I have no idea, don’t keep up with his play at all.

The savings Brooklyn would realize would be for Ben’s $38m + $40m salary (assuming he is useless), luxury tax saving for next year.

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2/14/2023  8:24 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:In this hypothetical, how many picks do you think the Nets would need to attach to get 4if of Simmons in a standalone trade?

Right, that’s the crux of it and I have no idea, don’t keep up with his play at all.

The savings Brooklyn would realize would be for Ben’s $38m + $40m salary (assuming he is useless), luxury tax saving for next year.

In hypotheticals like these, always smart to check in with OKC.

Just $99m committed to 14 players.

They could absorb almost all of Simmmons' salary without sending much (if anything) back (optimal is that's the nets motivation) and take some of those sweet, sweet Suns unprotected picks off the nets hands.
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2/14/2023  8:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2023  8:38 PM
Base assumption is that Ben is no where near worth his contract.

Leon would be asking Dolan to swallow upwards of $50+M worth of excess contract $ (plus any luxury tax money Knicks would pay for probably at least for a year) to get Bridges. Plus the contract of useful players going out.

DRose, RJ, Obi = around $47M. I would assume Rose gets bought out for further Brooklyn savings.

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2/14/2023  8:36 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:In this hypothetical, how many picks do you think the Nets would need to attach to get 4if of Simmons in a standalone trade?

Right, that’s the crux of it and I have no idea, don’t keep up with his play at all.

The savings Brooklyn would realize would be for Ben’s $38m + $40m salary (assuming he is useless), luxury tax saving for next year.

In hypotheticals like these, always smart to check in with OKC.

Just $99m committed to 14 players.

They could absorb almost all of Simmmons' salary without sending much (if anything) back (optimal is that's the nets motivation) and take some of those sweet, sweet Suns unprotected picks off the nets hands.

Yeah, I think the Nets would have to bring a third team. Trade team 1) Mykal for multiple picks. I know the rumors said 4 picks, but I'm not buying it. Then the Nets would have to redirect those picks, one top 5 protected and one swap maybe, to team 2 to dump Simmons. The value of first rounders have been up and down this season, so I can't say how many would need to be included in a Simmons dump.

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2/14/2023  8:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2023  8:45 PM
Why would anyone in their right basketball mind EVER trade away a 22 year old R.J. Barrett for a 26 year old Mikal Bridges?!?

R.J. Barrett @ 22 years old (despite being 4 years younger) already averages more Career Points, more Career Assists and more Career Rebounds than a 26 year old Mikal Bridges.

Trust me when I say

🤣 It wouldn't take long before NYC completely turns on Mikal Bridges 😭

And Ben Simmons? Forget about it. lol. He'd easily become NYC's public enemy #1.
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2/14/2023  8:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2023  8:48 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:In this hypothetical, how many picks do you think the Nets would need to attach to get 4if of Simmons in a standalone trade?

Right, that’s the crux of it and I have no idea, don’t keep up with his play at all.

The savings Brooklyn would realize would be for Ben’s $38m + $40m salary (assuming he is useless), luxury tax saving for next year.

In hypotheticals like these, always smart to check in with OKC.

Just $99m committed to 14 players.

They could absorb almost all of Simmmons' salary without sending much (if anything) back (optimal is that's the nets motivation) and take some of those sweet, sweet Suns unprotected picks off the nets hands.

A team like OKC would have to take in consideration the $40m in 2024 salary for Ben, and it would (most likely?) put them into the luxury for that year. Tough swallow for them perhaps?

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2/14/2023  8:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2023  8:47 PM
NYKMentality wrote:Why would anyone in their right basketball mind EVER trade away a 22 year old R.J. Barrett for a 26 year old Mikal Bridges?!?

R.J. Barrett @ 22 years old (despite being 4 years younger) already averages more Career Points, more Career Assists and more Career Rebounds than a 26 year old Mikal Bridges.

Trust me when I say

🤣 It wouldn't take long before NYC completely turns on Mikal Bridges 😭

And Ben Simmons? Forget about it. lol. He'd easily become NYC's public enemy #1.

Cause Mikal is light years better than RJ in pretty much every aspect of the game?

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2/14/2023  8:48 PM
martin wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Why would anyone in their right basketball mind EVER trade away a 22 year old R.J. Barrett for a 26 year old Mikal Bridges?!?

R.J. Barrett @ 22 years old (despite being 4 years younger) already averages more Career Points, more Career Assists and more Career Rebounds than a 26 year old Mikal Bridges.

Trust me when I say

🤣 It wouldn't take long before NYC completely turns on Mikal Bridges 😭

And Ben Simmons? Forget about it. lol. He'd easily become NYC's public enemy #1.

Cause Mikal is light years better than RJ?

Not according to career points per game, career assists per game and/or cares rebounds per game (he's not).

And if you wanna talk about "efficiency"? Look @ Mikal Bridges Shooting Percentages and Player Efficiency Rating @ only 22 and R.J. has him beat in that regard too.

PS: Mikal Bridges looked completely exposed against the Knicks without a HOF PG Chris Paul making his job 10x easier.
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2/14/2023  8:51 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
martin wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:Why would anyone in their right basketball mind EVER trade away a 22 year old R.J. Barrett for a 26 year old Mikal Bridges?!?

R.J. Barrett @ 22 years old (despite being 4 years younger) already averages more Career Points, more Career Assists and more Career Rebounds than a 26 year old Mikal Bridges.

Trust me when I say

🤣 It wouldn't take long before NYC completely turns on Mikal Bridges 😭

And Ben Simmons? Forget about it. lol. He'd easily become NYC's public enemy #1.

Cause Mikal is light years better than RJ?

Not according to career points per game, career assists per game and/or cares rebounds per game (he's not).

And if you wanna talk about "efficiency"? Look @ Mikal Bridges Shooting Percentages and Player Efficiency Rating @ only 22 and R.J. has him beat in that regard too.

PS: Mikal Bridges looked completely exposed against the Knicks without a HOF PG Chris Paul making his job 10x easier.

Well, that’s a good homer’s way of looking at things I guess.

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2/14/2023  9:00 PM
It's all good Mikal Bridges is already 26 years old but yet I'm still waiting for him to become a high scorer, improve his crap career assists totals as a Playmaker and also become a much better rebounder and unfortunately; he's already 26 years old and I have yet to witness any of the above (he is no 26 year old Jalen Brunson, to say the least).

I'm leaving this thread because I don't want to derail it more than I already have man.

🤝

I'm just going to leave all of this R.J. Barrett talk alone moving forward (regardless of which threads) and just let NY fans fan how NY fans want to fan because trying to change peoples minds isn't fun for me.

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2/14/2023  9:03 PM
NYKMentality wrote:It's all good Mikal Bridges is already 26 years old but yet I'm still waiting for him to become a high scorer, improve his crap career assists totals as a Playmaker and also become a much better rebounder and unfortunately; he's already 26 years old and I have yet to witness any of the above (he is no 26 year old Jalen Brunson, to say the least).

I'm leaving this thread because I don't want to derail it more than I already have man.

🤝

I'm just going to leave all of this R.J. Barrett talk alone moving forward (regardless of which threads) and just let NY fans fan how NY fans want to fan because trying to change peoples minds isn't fun for me.

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You are too bleeding heart. Perhaps Sharife Cooper at 21yo still has a chance to be better than Grimes in some reality

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2/14/2023  9:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2023  9:34 PM
NYKMentality wrote:It's all good Mikal Bridges is already 26 years old but yet I'm still waiting for him to become a high scorer, improve his crap career assists totals as a Playmaker and also become a much better rebounder and unfortunately; he's already 26 years old and I have yet to witness any of the above (he is no 26 year old Jalen Brunson, to say the least).

I'm leaving this thread because I don't want to derail it more than I already have man.

🤝

I'm just going to leave all of this R.J. Barrett talk alone moving forward (regardless of which threads) and just let NY fans fan how NY fans want to fan because trying to change peoples minds isn't fun for me.

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Real talk, how many times out of 10 do you think Brunson trades Barrett for Bridges if given the choice?

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2/14/2023  9:29 PM
Any love for Cameron Johnson as a FA?
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Rookie wrote:Any love for Cameron Johnson as a FA?

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