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fishmike
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1/17/2023  12:06 PM
I would look to resign Grant if it goes well so I dont think this is a rental.

Give's Portland a veteran scorer and a good young athletic big to pair with Simmons and Sharpe.

For the Knicks it upgrades both units pushing Grimes to the bench:
Brunson
RJ
Grant
Jules
Mitch
Bench: IQ/Grimes/Hart and that 8 man rotation should balance the minutes pretty good.
Grant/RJ can play the 4 when Jules sits

Grant will be 29 next year. Its a bit more "win now" than I have been advocating for but I think its a good deal that helps both teams and we keep our chest of picks and young guys who arent blocked by Randle

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1/17/2023  12:23 PM
he is starting for Portland - they are right there at the play in. I think you might need to give more- like a pick or two or another player.

Obi/Fournier are probably viewed as trash- since neither are really contributing here.

They have him playing PF, it looks like.

I would love to do this kind of deal, even if we have to include the Dallas pick and other draft considerations. It would go a long way towards keeping us relevant for the remainder of the season, baring significant injuries.
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1/17/2023  12:28 PM
Grant is exactly the type of player we should be targeting. Not sure how he would look next to RJ though. That would be some bully ball
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1/17/2023  12:29 PM
I can see Portland listening to that offer and responding with 'And then... ' You'd need to add picks to that deal.
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1/17/2023  12:30 PM
franco12 wrote:he is starting for Portland - they are right there at the play in. I think you might need to give more- like a pick or two or another player.

Obi/Fournier are probably viewed as trash- since neither are really contributing here.

They have him playing PF, it looks like.

I would love to do this kind of deal, even if we have to include the Dallas pick and other draft considerations. It would go a long way towards keeping us relevant for the remainder of the season, baring significant injuries.

that is reasonable... we have a few protected #1s from other teams but be careful overvaluing Grant. He's good but he was the best player on Det and Portland is a .500 ish play in caliber team trying to straddle young player growth and competing for a playoff spot w/ Lilliard there
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1/17/2023  12:32 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I can see Portland listening to that offer and responding with 'And then... ' You'd need to add picks to that deal.
do it.. feels like a good use for some of those protected picks. Let the fans think they got the slam dunk guy and 2 FRPs (Wash+Milw?)
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1/17/2023  3:31 PM
fishmike wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I can see Portland listening to that offer and responding with 'And then... ' You'd need to add picks to that deal.
do it.. feels like a good use for some of those protected picks. Let the fans think they got the slam dunk guy and 2 FRPs (Wash+Milw?)

as much as I'd love to draft 2 or 3 first rounders this year, how many can we actually fit on the roster.

Solid player that can let Thibs rest Randle and RJ before he burns them out!
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1/17/2023  3:37 PM
I like J. Grant and would do this trade (unsure Port would though). The potential problem I see if we have enough offensive creators in the starting unit - the problem is they are just good but not exceptional. Brunson is probably our best, Randle and RJ after that... I'm not sure adding another guy that performs best when he handles is the way to go. I would consider swapping RJ or Randle if it was thought that J. Grant has better vision/playmaking abilities but otherwise worry it would just be adding another very good but similar type of player. We would need Brunson, Grimes and Mitch starting with any combination of Randle, RJ and/or J. Grant. So then who goes to the bench? At the moment I would say probably RJ but not sure I see that happening honestly. Would J. Grant be okay with being a super sub off the bench? If so - is that the best use of our money/cap? Not sure but I do think he's a very good player and hard to argue we couldn't use more of that...
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1/17/2023  4:28 PM
jskinny35 wrote:I like J. Grant and would do this trade (unsure Port would though). The potential problem I see if we have enough offensive creators in the starting unit - the problem is they are just good but not exceptional. Brunson is probably our best, Randle and RJ after that... I'm not sure adding another guy that performs best when he handles is the way to go. I would consider swapping RJ or Randle if it was thought that J. Grant has better vision/playmaking abilities but otherwise worry it would just be adding another very good but similar type of player. We would need Brunson, Grimes and Mitch starting with any combination of Randle, RJ and/or J. Grant. So then who goes to the bench? At the moment I would say probably RJ but not sure I see that happening honestly. Would J. Grant be okay with being a super sub off the bench? If so - is that the best use of our money/cap? Not sure but I do think he's a very good player and hard to argue we couldn't use more of that...
Grant would start. RJ to SG where he's better and his size is a great advantage imo. Grant/Randle/Mitch is your frontcourt. Grants shooting like 43% from 3 this year (36% career). Bench would be IQ/Grimes/Hart

Its balance and every guy plays both sides and is willing to give up the ball. The shots will be there

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1/17/2023  4:41 PM
fishmike wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:I like J. Grant and would do this trade (unsure Port would though). The potential problem I see if we have enough offensive creators in the starting unit - the problem is they are just good but not exceptional. Brunson is probably our best, Randle and RJ after that... I'm not sure adding another guy that performs best when he handles is the way to go. I would consider swapping RJ or Randle if it was thought that J. Grant has better vision/playmaking abilities but otherwise worry it would just be adding another very good but similar type of player. We would need Brunson, Grimes and Mitch starting with any combination of Randle, RJ and/or J. Grant. So then who goes to the bench? At the moment I would say probably RJ but not sure I see that happening honestly. Would J. Grant be okay with being a super sub off the bench? If so - is that the best use of our money/cap? Not sure but I do think he's a very good player and hard to argue we couldn't use more of that...
Grant would start. RJ to SG where he's better and his size is a great advantage imo. Grant/Randle/Mitch is your frontcourt. Grants shooting like 43% from 3 this year (36% career). Bench would be IQ/Grimes/Hart

Its balance and every guy plays both sides and is willing to give up the ball. The shots will be there

Still think we would need Grimes to play the kick out 3 shooting role as he doesn't need the ball as much...that said I think J. Grant is good enough to roll the dice and try it as it would still leave us many options if it doesn't work out as hoped - I'm sold!
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1/17/2023  4:51 PM
fishmike wrote:I would look to resign Grant if it goes well so I dont think this is a rental.

Give's Portland a veteran scorer and a good young athletic big to pair with Simmons and Sharpe.

For the Knicks it upgrades both units pushing Grimes to the bench:
Brunson
RJ
Grant
Jules
Mitch
Bench: IQ/Grimes/Hart and that 8 man rotation should balance the minutes pretty good.
Grant/RJ can play the 4 when Jules sits

Grant will be 29 next year. Its a bit more "win now" than I have been advocating for but I think its a good deal that helps both teams and we keep our chest of picks and young guys who arent blocked by Randle

Have wanted to add Grant for years.
Not sure if Portland sees the offer as equal value.
Depends on how many Firsts it would require.
I personally would rather Knicks use picks to move up in draft.

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1/17/2023  5:18 PM
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