One of the big changes to how the team has been operating has been the communication end of things. Super critical and I think IQ has prob always done it but now takes more command and it's the first year Mitch has really grabbed a hold of this role too. Unbelievably, Randle and RJ are probably the slow learners here IMHO.

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Over the seven starts Quickley has played a staggering 42.2 minutes per game — consider the NBA leader this season in minutes per game, the Raptors’ Pascal Siakam, is only averaging 37.3 minutes. And Quickley has averaged 20.3 points, 5.9 assists and 5.3 rebounds per game, while turning the ball over less than once per game.

But Quickley has begun to show more than that this season, buying into Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau’s defense-first mentality and greatly improving his game on that end of the floor.

“The thing I love about Quick is that he’s smart, he’s very, very smart,” Thibodeau said. “He knows, he understands what he has to do to help our team defense. I think it’s his greatest strength. So he can play — even when he’s guarding twos, his size, because of his intelligence, he knows how to create body position. Very good with his hands, his feet, rarely is he out of position, and I think that does your defense a lot better. And he’s going to give you great effort all the time.”

After proving himself as a point guard offensively — he piled up 15 assists in his first game in place of Brunson in Dallas two weeks ago — he has adopted a similar tact defensively, serving as a vocal presence. While Brunson is the leader on the Knicks and Randle has been the most accomplished and longest-tenured player on the roster, Quickley has made himself a communicator on defense. He calls out assignments, even if that usually is an assignment for the center — like Mitchell Robinson, who oversees the entire defense from the back line.

“Quick talks a lot. Sometimes he tries to get me in a spot like he’s the defensive anchor,” Robinson said, jokingly, “No, slow your role bucko. He’s a competitor, he’s ready to go. He’s talking tonight. Hold on, chill out. That’s me. You got your offensive side, I got this side, that’s me.”

Said Quickley: “I think just watching film — I think my IQ is probably one of my better strengths, being able to help guys out where they’re supposed to be at,” Quickley said. "And then talking on the floor is also an underrated skill that a lot of people don’t do. So, just try to help, really just do anything you can to win. That’s what it really comes down to.”

SergioNYK wrote:I'm surprised we haven't offered a contract extension. IQ is a keeper!

If the FO wanted to trade for an all-star, without moving Randle. IQ would most likely be involved.
Thats one scenario. Not necessarily the only one. They could be just taking a wait and see attitude.
See what offers they get. Which is smart. They have time

Rookie wrote:IQ is the only player I can think of that we drafted (or traded for) that has made that third year jump. Robinson never really made that jump and 4th year bulked up Robinson also looked to have regressed. KP never really made that 3rd year jump either.

IQ is a keeper and has become an nba starter. We should extend him in the summer. I’m thinking he’s in the 16M range.

Grimes is another player who I believe will make that 3rd year jump. RJ? He seems to get a little better each year. Jokubaitus also is on the right growth path to the nba. Deuce could also make a jump next season if he continues to get minutes and gain in comfort and confidence at the nba level.

Overall, we’ve drafter very well the last few seasons. Obi is really the only big question mark. That pick was more of a favour. We should have drafted Halli

The reason the Knicks and IQ will wait is 1) for salary cap reasons on the team side of things (they will be buyers in 2024) and 2) cause IQ can get a bigger contract if he waits a year.

There are VERY good reasons on both sides why he won't get extended until summer 2024.

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:IQ is the only player I can think of that we drafted (or traded for) that has made that third year jump. Robinson never really made that jump and 4th year bulked up Robinson also looked to have regressed. KP never really made that 3rd year jump either.

IQ is a keeper and has become an nba starter. We should extend him in the summer. I’m thinking he’s in the 16M range.

Grimes is another player who I believe will make that 3rd year jump. RJ? He seems to get a little better each year. Jokubaitus also is on the right growth path to the nba. Deuce could also make a jump next season if he continues to get minutes and gain in comfort and confidence at the nba level.

Overall, we’ve drafter very well the last few seasons. Obi is really the only big question mark. That pick was more of a favour. We should have drafted Halli

The reason the Knicks and IQ will wait is 1) for salary cap reasons on the team side of things (they will be buyers in 2024) and 2) cause IQ can get a bigger contract if he waits a year.

There are VERY good reasons on both sides why he won't get extended until summer 2024.

Yeah I think you are right. It’s better for the team, I don’t think nba agents see it that way though. They want job security for their clients as well as the salary. I made a similar argument for waiting to resign Obi until 24 but it was more about getting him at the right price (4-5M) for a 16 min back up to Randle.

I don't think you are correct here.

It's a 4 year (if you do now) versus 5 year deal (if you wait) with % increases each year that are different (when you wait, the %'s are better with the 5 year deal).

IQ's cap hold will be around $10M in summer 2024 (250% of previous year) and the Knicks will need every dollar when they sign that next big free agent

It's going to happen that summer.

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:IQ is the only player I can think of that we drafted (or traded for) that has made that third year jump. Robinson never really made that jump and 4th year bulked up Robinson also looked to have regressed. KP never really made that 3rd year jump either.

IQ is a keeper and has become an nba starter. We should extend him in the summer. I’m thinking he’s in the 16M range.

Grimes is another player who I believe will make that 3rd year jump. RJ? He seems to get a little better each year. Jokubaitus also is on the right growth path to the nba. Deuce could also make a jump next season if he continues to get minutes and gain in comfort and confidence at the nba level.

Overall, we’ve drafter very well the last few seasons. Obi is really the only big question mark. That pick was more of a favour. We should have drafted Halli

The reason the Knicks and IQ will wait is 1) for salary cap reasons on the team side of things (they will be buyers in 2024) and 2) cause IQ can get a bigger contract if he waits a year.

There are VERY good reasons on both sides why he won't get extended until summer 2024.

Yeah I think you are right. It’s better for the team, I don’t think nba agents see it that way though. They want job security for their clients as well as the salary. I made a similar argument for waiting to resign Obi until 24 but it was more about getting him at the right price (4-5M) for a 16 min back up to Randle.

I don't think you are correct here.

It's a 4 year (if you do now) versus 5 year deal (if you wait) with % increases each year that are different (when you wait, the %'s are better with the 5 year deal).

IQ's cap hold will be around $10M in summer 2024 (250% of previous year) and the Knicks will need every dollar when they sign that next big free agent

It's going to happen that summer.

With IQ’s injury history I would feel good about waiting. There is however, always the risk of injury. That was my point. You lock it in if you can or you take the risk and gamble on yourself. It. Guaranteed 60-70M vs waiting and risking for an additional 15+M

The Knicks won't do it, plain and simple. They are going free agent hunting in 2024, I'll create a new thread on that soon.

Also, I don't think IQ has an injury history.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:IQ is the only player I can think of that we drafted (or traded for) that has made that third year jump. Robinson never really made that jump and 4th year bulked up Robinson also looked to have regressed. KP never really made that 3rd year jump either.

IQ is a keeper and has become an nba starter. We should extend him in the summer. I’m thinking he’s in the 16M range.

Grimes is another player who I believe will make that 3rd year jump. RJ? He seems to get a little better each year. Jokubaitus also is on the right growth path to the nba. Deuce could also make a jump next season if he continues to get minutes and gain in comfort and confidence at the nba level.

Overall, we’ve drafter very well the last few seasons. Obi is really the only big question mark. That pick was more of a favour. We should have drafted Halli

The reason the Knicks and IQ will wait is 1) for salary cap reasons on the team side of things (they will be buyers in 2024) and 2) cause IQ can get a bigger contract if he waits a year.

There are VERY good reasons on both sides why he won't get extended until summer 2024.

Yeah I think you are right. It’s better for the team, I don’t think nba agents see it that way though. They want job security for their clients as well as the salary. I made a similar argument for waiting to resign Obi until 24 but it was more about getting him at the right price (4-5M) for a 16 min back up to Randle.

I don't think you are correct here.

It's a 4 year (if you do now) versus 5 year deal (if you wait) with % increases each year that are different (when you wait, the %'s are better with the 5 year deal).

IQ's cap hold will be around $10M in summer 2024 (250% of previous year) and the Knicks will need every dollar when they sign that next big free agent

It's going to happen that summer.

With IQ’s injury history I would feel good about waiting. There is however, always the risk of injury. That was my point. You lock it in if you can or you take the risk and gamble on yourself. It. Guaranteed 60-70M vs waiting and risking for an additional 15+M

The Knicks won't do it, plain and simple. They are going free agent hunting in 2024, I'll create a new thread on that soon.

Also, I don't think IQ has an injury history.

That’s what I meant about injury history. He has been healthy and not injury prone. He has a good injury history.

Oh got it, sorry I read your post wrong.

I have a weird way of saying things sometimes

Nalod wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Please post the 2024 hunt details!

Happy Hunting! The unrestricted:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2024/ufa/

The attainable guys don't look real appealing and the appealing guys don't look that attainable.

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Please post the 2024 hunt details!

Happy Hunting! The unrestricted:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2024/ufa/

The attainable guys don't look real appealing and the appealing guys don't look that attainable.

or too old... totally agree. Jaylen Brown is the only guy of that crop that's interesting and he's getting his whatever extension from Boston.

Which is what makes improvements from guys like Grimes/IQ even more important. Same with RJ/Mitch and hopefully McBride/Sims/Obi. This could be the squad if we dont want to dish a ton for an all star and I dont want Anthony Davis or Zach or Tobias

Add in this list too, player opt outs: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2024/po/