https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/07/sports/baseball/aaron-judge-yankees.html

KnickDanger wrote:I strongly suspect this contract will be an albatross when Judge breaks down - in 5 or 6 years? Two? But today Yankee fans get what they want and I imagine he “sells tickets.”

In 5 years the Stanton disaster contract will finally be off our books. I’m still amazed Jeter suckered Cashman into swallowing that

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I strongly suspect this contract will be an albatross when Judge breaks down - in 5 or 6 years? Two? But today Yankee fans get what they want and I imagine he “sells tickets.”

In 5 years the Stanton disaster contract will finally be off our books. I’m still amazed Jeter suckered Cashman into swallowing that

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I strongly suspect this contract will be an albatross when Judge breaks down - in 5 or 6 years? Two? But today Yankee fans get what they want and I imagine he “sells tickets.”

In 5 years the Stanton disaster contract will finally be off our books. I’m still amazed Jeter suckered Cashman into swallowing that

Stanton was the MVP at the time of trade. YOu have hindsight.
The deal was massive, but it was why he came "cheap" as per few player assets.
These deals are not easy on the back end. Its the price teams pay.

You’re still trying to defend Cashman? Lol

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I strongly suspect this contract will be an albatross when Judge breaks down - in 5 or 6 years? Two? But today Yankee fans get what they want and I imagine he “sells tickets.”

In 5 years the Stanton disaster contract will finally be off our books. I’m still amazed Jeter suckered Cashman into swallowing that

Mariners pick up $30M of Stanton's contract in the last 3 years.

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I strongly suspect this contract will be an albatross when Judge breaks down - in 5 or 6 years? Two? But today Yankee fans get what they want and I imagine he “sells tickets.”

In 5 years the Stanton disaster contract will finally be off our books. I’m still amazed Jeter suckered Cashman into swallowing that

Your "amazement" is usually rooted in a lack of understanding and context of the moment:

The Miami Marlins made one of the biggest trades in the franchise’s history back on December 11, 2017 when the club sent outfielder Giancarlo Stanton and cash to the New York Yankees in exchange for three players.

One of the greatest players in Marlins history, Stanton was one of the top overall players in baseball at the time, as well as also coming off of the greatest single season’s the organization has ever seen back in 2017.

Winning the NL MVP award, the-then 27-year-old Stanton led the MLB in home runs (59) and RBI’s (132) during the 2017 season, as well as also leading the NL with a .631 SLG% and a 169 OPS+. Just a small glimpse into the impact that Stanton had during his time in Miami, the four-time All-Star and two-time Silver Slugger winner also currently leads the franchise all-time in multiple statistical categories across his 986 career games (third in Marlins history) such as WAR (35.7), SLG% (.554), HR (267), RBI (672), and more.

Having had success during his time with the Yankees so far, Stanton will be entering year No. 5 in New York in 2022. As for the three players the Marlins received for Stanton, where are they now?

Where are the players the Miami Marlins received for Giancarlo Stanton now?
Starlin Castro

An All-Star for the fourth time in his career in 2017 with the Yankees, Castro would appear in a combined 316 games with Miami in 2018-19 where the second baseman slashed a combined .274/.314/.418 with 34 home runs. Electing free agency at the end of 2019, Castro would sign with the Washington Nationals where he would appear in a combined 103 games in 2020-21 before being released last-September.

Jorge Guzman

Guzman would be rated as high as Miami’s No. 4 overall prospect back in 2018, and would also spend 2019-20 in the Marlins Top 30 prospects before making his major league debut in a relief appearance in 2020. After making a total of 11 appearances in 2021 (nine in Triple-A), the right-hander would elect free agency back in November, and recently signed with the San Francisco Giants.

Jose Devers

The final player that the Miami Marlins acquired in the Stanton trade was Devers, who was rated as the No. 25 prospect in Miami’s system back in 2018. Rising as high as the Marlins No. 13 prospect in both 2019-20, the 22-year-old made his major league debut with Miami during the 2021 season slashing .244/.304/.317 across 21 games.

Thats a lot of words for you.........

Here is another one that breaks it down really hard:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/this-trade-in-history-giancarlo-stanton-to-the-yankees/
I'll give you the ending: Win/Win

It's a bit complicated but it's interesting stuff. Does not fit your simple Cashman narrative and might be written at a 6th grade reading level, but perhaps you can say "gee, maybe I don't know all the facts to make an accurate statement".

Congratulations you are the only person on the internet who still thinks the Stanton trade was a good move for the Yankees and not an epic Isiah-esque blunder by Cashman

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I strongly suspect this contract will be an albatross when Judge breaks down - in 5 or 6 years? Two? But today Yankee fans get what they want and I imagine he “sells tickets.”

In 5 years the Stanton disaster contract will finally be off our books. I’m still amazed Jeter suckered Cashman into swallowing that

Your "amazement" is usually rooted in a lack of understanding and context of the moment:

The Miami Marlins made one of the biggest trades in the franchise’s history back on December 11, 2017 when the club sent outfielder Giancarlo Stanton and cash to the New York Yankees in exchange for three players.

One of the greatest players in Marlins history, Stanton was one of the top overall players in baseball at the time, as well as also coming off of the greatest single season’s the organization has ever seen back in 2017.

Winning the NL MVP award, the-then 27-year-old Stanton led the MLB in home runs (59) and RBI’s (132) during the 2017 season, as well as also leading the NL with a .631 SLG% and a 169 OPS+. Just a small glimpse into the impact that Stanton had during his time in Miami, the four-time All-Star and two-time Silver Slugger winner also currently leads the franchise all-time in multiple statistical categories across his 986 career games (third in Marlins history) such as WAR (35.7), SLG% (.554), HR (267), RBI (672), and more.

Having had success during his time with the Yankees so far, Stanton will be entering year No. 5 in New York in 2022. As for the three players the Marlins received for Stanton, where are they now?

Where are the players the Miami Marlins received for Giancarlo Stanton now?
Starlin Castro

An All-Star for the fourth time in his career in 2017 with the Yankees, Castro would appear in a combined 316 games with Miami in 2018-19 where the second baseman slashed a combined .274/.314/.418 with 34 home runs. Electing free agency at the end of 2019, Castro would sign with the Washington Nationals where he would appear in a combined 103 games in 2020-21 before being released last-September.

Jorge Guzman

Guzman would be rated as high as Miami’s No. 4 overall prospect back in 2018, and would also spend 2019-20 in the Marlins Top 30 prospects before making his major league debut in a relief appearance in 2020. After making a total of 11 appearances in 2021 (nine in Triple-A), the right-hander would elect free agency back in November, and recently signed with the San Francisco Giants.

Jose Devers

The final player that the Miami Marlins acquired in the Stanton trade was Devers, who was rated as the No. 25 prospect in Miami’s system back in 2018. Rising as high as the Marlins No. 13 prospect in both 2019-20, the 22-year-old made his major league debut with Miami during the 2021 season slashing .244/.304/.317 across 21 games.

Thats a lot of words for you.........

Here is another one that breaks it down really hard:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/this-trade-in-history-giancarlo-stanton-to-the-yankees/
I'll give you the ending: Win/Win

It's a bit complicated but it's interesting stuff. Does not fit your simple Cashman narrative and might be written at a 6th grade reading level, but perhaps you can say "gee, maybe I don't know all the facts to make an accurate statement".

Congratulations you are the only person on the internet who still thinks the Stanton trade was a good move for the Yankees and not an epic Isiah-esque blunder by Cashman

If thats your response then it demonstrates your overwhelmed by the complexity of an academic conversation.
IM not posting to convince you of an outcome that can be defended by statistics. Im posting to give yo context of what Yankees were looking at the moment of the trade.

Its like looking at the Mycdyess trade. “Well, he busted his knee, what else do you need to know?
What was the team, the cap space, draft picks at that moment?
What was Dices expected recovery? He hurt his healthy knee. He was playing awesome.
The outcome was bad. Im not defending the bad outcome, just recognizing what was attempted with the information at that moment the trade was made. Not just hindsight.

Thats how you learn. Adult conversations have more than one line responses to them.

You’re now diving deep into the internet futile argument vortex. Layden traded Camby in his prime plus a draft pick that could have been Amare Stoudemire for a past his prime veteran who it was known before the trade was an eggshell. What’s next for you? The hornets trading Kobe for Divac was shrewd?

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:I strongly suspect this contract will be an albatross when Judge breaks down - in 5 or 6 years? Two? But today Yankee fans get what they want and I imagine he “sells tickets.”

In 5 years the Stanton disaster contract will finally be off our books. I’m still amazed Jeter suckered Cashman into swallowing that

Your "amazement" is usually rooted in a lack of understanding and context of the moment:

The Miami Marlins made one of the biggest trades in the franchise’s history back on December 11, 2017 when the club sent outfielder Giancarlo Stanton and cash to the New York Yankees in exchange for three players.

One of the greatest players in Marlins history, Stanton was one of the top overall players in baseball at the time, as well as also coming off of the greatest single season’s the organization has ever seen back in 2017.

Winning the NL MVP award, the-then 27-year-old Stanton led the MLB in home runs (59) and RBI’s (132) during the 2017 season, as well as also leading the NL with a .631 SLG% and a 169 OPS+. Just a small glimpse into the impact that Stanton had during his time in Miami, the four-time All-Star and two-time Silver Slugger winner also currently leads the franchise all-time in multiple statistical categories across his 986 career games (third in Marlins history) such as WAR (35.7), SLG% (.554), HR (267), RBI (672), and more.

Having had success during his time with the Yankees so far, Stanton will be entering year No. 5 in New York in 2022. As for the three players the Marlins received for Stanton, where are they now?

Where are the players the Miami Marlins received for Giancarlo Stanton now?
Starlin Castro

An All-Star for the fourth time in his career in 2017 with the Yankees, Castro would appear in a combined 316 games with Miami in 2018-19 where the second baseman slashed a combined .274/.314/.418 with 34 home runs. Electing free agency at the end of 2019, Castro would sign with the Washington Nationals where he would appear in a combined 103 games in 2020-21 before being released last-September.

Jorge Guzman

Guzman would be rated as high as Miami’s No. 4 overall prospect back in 2018, and would also spend 2019-20 in the Marlins Top 30 prospects before making his major league debut in a relief appearance in 2020. After making a total of 11 appearances in 2021 (nine in Triple-A), the right-hander would elect free agency back in November, and recently signed with the San Francisco Giants.

Jose Devers

The final player that the Miami Marlins acquired in the Stanton trade was Devers, who was rated as the No. 25 prospect in Miami’s system back in 2018. Rising as high as the Marlins No. 13 prospect in both 2019-20, the 22-year-old made his major league debut with Miami during the 2021 season slashing .244/.304/.317 across 21 games.

Thats a lot of words for you.........

Here is another one that breaks it down really hard:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/this-trade-in-history-giancarlo-stanton-to-the-yankees/
I'll give you the ending: Win/Win

It's a bit complicated but it's interesting stuff. Does not fit your simple Cashman narrative and might be written at a 6th grade reading level, but perhaps you can say "gee, maybe I don't know all the facts to make an accurate statement".

Congratulations you are the only person on the internet who still thinks the Stanton trade was a good move for the Yankees and not an epic Isiah-esque blunder by Cashman

If thats your response then it demonstrates your overwhelmed by the complexity of an academic conversation.
IM not posting to convince you of an outcome that can be defended by statistics. Im posting to give yo context of what Yankees were looking at the moment of the trade.

Its like looking at the Mycdyess trade. “Well, he busted his knee, what else do you need to know?
What was the team, the cap space, draft picks at that moment?
What was Dices expected recovery? He hurt his healthy knee. He was playing awesome.
The outcome was bad. Im not defending the bad outcome, just recognizing what was attempted with the information at that moment the trade was made. Not just hindsight.

Thats how you learn. Adult conversations have more than one line responses to them.

You’re now diving deep into the internet futile argument vortex. Layden traded Camby in his prime plus a draft pick that could have been Amare Stoudemire for a past his prime veteran who it was known before the trade was an eggshell. What’s next for you? The hornets trading Kobe for Divac was shrewd?

Yes, you know the outcome after the fact. Dice was a bonafide star that moment. Either it was Layden or Dolan who spearheaded it is not known. Out come was awful. Stat was straight out of highschool and was the steal of the draft after dropping to 9th. You assume the obvious in hindsight. Im not defending, Im stating how hard it is to draft or make decisions the moment of truth.

It was a stupid trade and a lot of people including myself hated it 20 years ago. The outcome was worse than awful. We potentially could have had a front court of Prime Amare and Camby for 10 years. But hey I’m just a hindsight guy right that’s why I literally screamed at the TV set when Stern chuckled at us selecting Weiss over Artest in 1999. But anyway has Elf found a team?