fishmike wrote:reminds me of Isaiah Thomas... could/should be a lead scorer. Brunson is getting 20ppg on 15 FGs. Thomas was getting 28ppg on 20 FGs I think that is where Brunson should be. Especially with this group of brick layers

So this is really a trade Randle thread in disguise?

Because to my thinking, put the ball in Brunson's hands, remove Randle, swap in Obi who is less about creating for himself and more about creating in the flow of the offense - and you set Brunson lose to shoot/pass as much as possible.

And originally I though you meant Isiah. Looking at Isaiah, Brunson's per 100 this year better offensively than any year - but your comparison is taken and I think relevant.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:He’s better than Kemba was. Knicks need to focus on adding shooting and defense around Brunson. Mitch is missed. So is grimes. They need to get grimes up to speed. And if we added d Mitchell it would have been the same issues because he doesn’t defend at all. Knicks badly need shooting. We don’t have one consistent outside shooter who can stay on the floor defensively.

I thought it was a coaching problem!

I totally agree with you and this post isnt meant to blame Brunson, the opposite actually... I have seen enough to change his role. Make him the primary scorer, let him call his own # as much as he wants and we should be looking to get him 20-22 FG attempts per game in 34 minutes. If that sounds like a tons of shots it is. Hide him best we can on defense like Atl does with Trae and let him score it.

If he starts drawing doubles GREAT. He's a super high IQ player and he's gonna make the right read.
He is so clearly our best and only consistent offensive player we should run a every set for him until other scorers emerge as reliable. In the meantime our most EFF% scorer is getting the most FGA which sounds incredibly logical to me

But that would be Obi!

And if we are talking about liabilities - it looks like RJ is the one dragging this team down.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:reminds me of Isaiah Thomas... could/should be a lead scorer. Brunson is getting 20ppg on 15 FGs. Thomas was getting 28ppg on 20 FGs I think that is where Brunson should be. Especially with this group of brick layers

So this is really a trade Randle thread in disguise?

Because to my thinking, put the ball in Brunson's hands, remove Randle, swap in Obi who is less about creating for himself and more about creating in the flow of the offense - and you set Brunson lose to shoot/pass as much as possible.

And originally I though you meant Isiah. Looking at Isaiah, Brunson's per 100 this year better offensively than any year - but your comparison is taken and I think relevant.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2017.htmlThis is the team... Brunson can be a player like that for sure. Stronger frame than Thomas as well.

As for trading Randle we need a tough guy. He's the only one that plays dirty down low but if we could move on from Randle I am ready if the FO is. I just want what's best for the team. Im not attached to any of these guys at this point.

I agree on Randle being tough and you need that kind of player when the playoffs arrive (if you make them!) Hart is also that kind of player.

He just needs a different role on the team, I think. I mean, can we just tell Randle - we want you posting up, we want to try to get you in close to do damage - and then work with him on his exaggeration - oh, Ref - surely I have been fouled - moves where he takes himself out of the play?

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:reminds me of Isaiah Thomas... could/should be a lead scorer. Brunson is getting 20ppg on 15 FGs. Thomas was getting 28ppg on 20 FGs I think that is where Brunson should be. Especially with this group of brick layers

So this is really a trade Randle thread in disguise?

Because to my thinking, put the ball in Brunson's hands, remove Randle, swap in Obi who is less about creating for himself and more about creating in the flow of the offense - and you set Brunson lose to shoot/pass as much as possible.

And originally I though you meant Isiah. Looking at Isaiah, Brunson's per 100 this year better offensively than any year - but your comparison is taken and I think relevant.

Fyi. Randle 25 on 14 shots.
Obi on defense would not make our defense better. We have a defensive coach remember. He does not like it. Bringing up Obi when convo is about defensive liabilities is like bringing up EF when talking of the same. Let's not forget Obi's defensive rebounding void for easy transition dunk.

Back to thread....
Brunson is not a guy you bring in others to cover deficiencies. Imo
He is a smaller piece to bring in around two main pieces. Reason why my complain is that if we ever do, he is not a facilitator for those better players.
But like my view on Randle, until we have a better option, he is the best we have and he brings more positives than any of our current options.
Fish bringing up defensive liability is accurate. But think we knew that going in.

Real problem for us will continue to be that we have too many number 2 or 3 options.
But around here, folks don't want to give up out young hopefuls for a true number 1.

Brunson brings so much good things to the table, I'm honestly OK with him being the weak link on defense.