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EwingsGlass wrote:Another tech tonight on him cursing out the refs when the refs were right. The win over the Cavs will obscure it, but I really think the guy has got to go.

It was a bad T but really? You want the guy fired over that?

Thibs has issues but I’ve lived through duds like Fizdale and Kurt Rambis

Thibs is a B+ coach. yeah, I guess it could be better. But who do you propose we replace him with? Udoka? Fizzdale?

SupremeCommander wrote:what's next, we stop drafting players that played at Kentucky?

Thibs is a B+ coach. yeah, I guess it could be better. But who do you propose we replace him with? Udoka? Fizzdale?

Thats the other problem. There arent many options out there. I for one have said Thibs or Randle should be moved. And if theres limited options for a new coach, then Randle gets the short stick, because his replacements are lined up with players already on the team, starting with Obi, Cam, etc.....

Finding someone to replace Randles 20 and 10 will be hard. Finding someone that hustles and plays hard on both ends, will be easier to find..

Uptown wrote:I am no Thibs apologist, but the Knicks are 2.5 games out of 5th place in the east. As delusional as this may or may not sound, the goal for this team to compete for a playoff/play-in spot. Barring a catastrophic collapse, Thibs will be here for the rest of season and probably next year as well. He's a good coach, but his relationship with the team's president doesn't hurt....

It's gonna be painful to watch sometimes. That's how young players grow. I mean we are Brunson/Randle/RJ every night and hope the kids help. The roster isnt **** but it clearly lacks difference making talent and I think our path to acquire that is as promising as its been for a couple decades.

...As for the bold that's a positive. It's the closest we have been to having a HC and FO on the same page. They HAVE to be.

Realistically we are a bad 3 weeks from joining the bottom dwellers. We saw that last year and the only reason I can say we should trend up is we are young and cant shoot any worse. Its clear they are pretty committed and believe in Grimes. I mean great. Look at Anfernee Simmons. The guy's amazing. Portland just had to wait a few years you know... while he went from being a good college player to a good NBA player

Would anyone be surprised if some of these guys turned positive corners and elevated the team? There's a lot of options... this is time to be patient.

Nalod wrote:Since Woodson....

Fish was 40-96
Rambis 9-19
Hornacek 60-104
Fizdale 21-83
Miller 9-19
Thibs 89-89 2.1.25 seasons

Its not like we have a star studded cast.
he was COY 1st weird year. It was weird. He was COY.
Last year 37 win regression full schedule.
THis year are 11-13

Some of you are freaking out about mediocrity. Wouldn't one think that the path up has to go thru Mediocrity?

The worst possible position to be is mediocre. You either bottom out and get young talent or you are good enough to be better than mediocre and end up in the playoff hunt. We have been mediocre for so long we have like the 2nd or 3rd worst record over the last 20 years. All those teams people laugh at were so bad they got young talent and eventually won more than us. Then there is us picking in the middle to back end of the lotto 95% of the time. We have to wish players like Curry and Ivy drop to us instead of being in the spot where we can just draft them. If you guys like being mediocre so much you must be loving the Knicks these last two seasons.

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:I am no Thibs apologist, but the Knicks are 2.5 games out of 5th place in the east. As delusional as this may or may not sound, the goal for this team to compete for a playoff/play-in spot. Barring a catastrophic collapse, Thibs will be here for the rest of season and probably next year as well. He's a good coach, but his relationship with the team's president doesn't hurt....

exactly... no need to be an apologist. Thibs is a B+ coach. The guys play hard. We have one consistent scorer in the whole rotation. Our best players are Brunson, Randle and Barret. They are surrounded with a bunch of guys who are very young.

It's gonna be painful to watch sometimes. That's how young players grow. I mean we are Brunson/Randle/RJ every night and hope the kids help. The roster isnt **** but it clearly lacks difference making talent and I think our path to acquire that is as promising as its been for a couple decades.

...As for the bold that's a positive. It's the closest we have been to having a HC and FO on the same page. They HAVE to be.

Realistically we are a bad 3 weeks from joining the bottom dwellers. We saw that last year and the only reason I can say we should trend up is we are young and cant shoot any worse. Its clear they are pretty committed and believe in Grimes. I mean great. Look at Anfernee Simmons. The guy's amazing. Portland just had to wait a few years you know... while he went from being a good college player to a good NBA player

Would anyone be surprised if some of these guys turned positive corners and elevated the team? There's a lot of options... this is time to be patient.

Barrett is third youngest player. Two months older than Deuce.
Mitch is 5 months older than Sims.
Obi is a month older than Mitch. he'll be 25 March 4th.
Cam is 5th youngest.

Uptown wrote:

blkexec wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:what's next, we stop drafting players that played at Kentucky?

Thibs is a B+ coach. yeah, I guess it could be better. But who do you propose we replace him with? Udoka? Fizzdale?

Thats the other problem. There arent many options out there. I for one have said Thibs or Randle should be moved. And if theres limited options for a new coach, then Randle gets the short stick, because his replacements are lined up with players already on the team, starting with Obi, Cam, etc.....

Finding someone to replace Randles 20 and 10 will be hard. Finding someone that hustles and plays hard on both ends, will be easier to find..

Don't think you need one person to put up 20 & 10. Removing Randle from the equation, ups the usage of Brunson, which is a good thing, and promotes more ball movement which will in-turn give others more touches and opportunities. Not to mention, the player or players that will trade uniforms with Randle.

This!

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:I am no Thibs apologist, but the Knicks are 2.5 games out of 5th place in the east. As delusional as this may or may not sound, the goal for this team to compete for a playoff/play-in spot. Barring a catastrophic collapse, Thibs will be here for the rest of season and probably next year as well. He's a good coach, but his relationship with the team's president doesn't hurt....

exactly... no need to be an apologist. Thibs is a B+ coach. The guys play hard. We have one consistent scorer in the whole rotation. Our best players are Brunson, Randle and Barret. They are surrounded with a bunch of guys who are very young.

It's gonna be painful to watch sometimes. That's how young players grow. I mean we are Brunson/Randle/RJ every night and hope the kids help. The roster isnt **** but it clearly lacks difference making talent and I think our path to acquire that is as promising as its been for a couple decades.

...As for the bold that's a positive. It's the closest we have been to having a HC and FO on the same page. They HAVE to be.

Realistically we are a bad 3 weeks from joining the bottom dwellers. We saw that last year and the only reason I can say we should trend up is we are young and cant shoot any worse. Its clear they are pretty committed and believe in Grimes. I mean great. Look at Anfernee Simmons. The guy's amazing. Portland just had to wait a few years you know... while he went from being a good college player to a good NBA player

Would anyone be surprised if some of these guys turned positive corners and elevated the team? There's a lot of options... this is time to be patient.

Sometimes I wonder how much on the same page they are when you consider Kemba lasted about a month before he was benched, and Evan, the other '21 summer FA splash signing lasted a year and a few weeks before he was banished to the bench. But, I hear what you are saying though...