GustavBahler wrote:We have enough scoring on the bench, not enough in the starting lineup. Cam has and will give you games (like tonite vs Nets) where he fades into the background. Quickley is always on the attack.

He's also a good enough defender now to guard starting 2s. Grimes isnt ready to be a starter. We need someone to help take the pressure off of Brunson. Quickley will do a better job than Cam.

Big fan of IQ. Probably my favorite player. But no way you put him in the starting lineup the way he is shooting.
He needs to build up his confidence. Best place for that is in the second unit and not with additional pressure from being a starter.

GustavBahler wrote:To address the biggest criticism of this proposed move. You're right, that moving IQ to the starting lineup during a slump seems counterintuitive. If it was just about shooting, which is important. Its also ball movement, passing, being aggressive.

Cam too often becomes a wallflower in the offense. You want your SG to be always trying to keep the defense on its heels. Thats why I believe Quick is better suited to be a 2.

Another reason is the chemistry with Fournier in the 2nd unit. Isnt much of it. Cam and Fournier might make a better tandem, with Cam at the 3.

Thibs made the mistake of rushing Grimes back too soon. I hope next time Thibs brings him off the bench slowly. If his plan is to start Grimes at the 2. In the meantime, I've been surprised that Thibs has invested so much time trying to turn Quick into a PG, when he isnt that far from being a very good SG.

Quickley gets to the line more I believe, which you want to make the other team sit their starters.

Quickley can bring more than just scoring. When his shot starts falling again. Want to see a more aggressive SG. Scoring and ball movement.

Would agree that IQ taking EF's spot would have been my preference. But I may be biased.
But as you said, it may have been more than offense. Can't argue that Cam had an impact on the defensive end and had shown success in previous games. If we are going to be fair than we cannot say IQ had earned that right with his recent play.
Cam did not have a good game last night. But neither did IQ. Hopefully we get IQ, Cam and Grimes all playing well soon.

We forget Grimes already? Preseason anointed as the next "star" by some?
Its obvious Thibs wants more length on defense. RJ is the 2 for now. Cam guards the 3, right? is that what's happening?
IQ defense is improved. As we have seen the kid makes a jump, then it take time for it to be instinct and his offense game comes back.
Reality is not who starts, but who finishes.
And, remember players that come in mid 3rd period cannot finish the game with the same fervor so when they get taken out for fresh player its not Thibs being stubborn, its pattern.
But he does reward players who kick ass when starters are not!

On offense IQ still has many looks like he does not know what to do, burns clock, then passes and that player has to iso.
Ball movement is stagnating from early season, the defense is stopping it.

.500 teams are maddening. you can't resign to the suck, nor can one get too optimistic.

HofstraBBall wrote:https://nypost.com/2022/11/12/knicks-getting-calls-about-potential-immanuel-quickley-trade/

IQ will be a high level player if used correctly and given a chance.

If the FO is considering a trade involving Quickley. Would be a real bad look if he was moved, and turned out to be a very good SG.

From day one Thibs hasnt let Quick do much of anything but PG. Fail to see the logic of not giving Quick a look at the 2. Not at this point in his career.

HofstraBBall wrote:https://nypost.com/2022/11/12/knicks-getting-calls-about-potential-immanuel-quickley-trade/

IQ will be a high level player if used correctly and given a chance.

What does Used correctly and Given a chance mean to you and why do you think those 2 things haven’t been prevalent for IQ?

I don’t get it cause I see it going on all the time.

Now we back doing what we should’ve done already. Give more mins to deuce and IQ. Less mins for EF and Rose. We are just late on these decisions.

I’m curious what the next move is for this FO. They can go in so many different directions. I still think the first move is to clear the vets that’s blocking the youths PT. That’s Rose and Randle.