Knixkik wrote:If we are buying without considering age than I agree. But on that note, another name to consider is Eric Gordon, who is similar age and provides more defensively still at this age. And fun fact, he just signed with CAA.

BigDaddyG wrote:I like Hayward. But you could make the case that the Hornets have about as good a chance of making the playoffs as the Knicks. I'm not sure they'd be open to the idea of trading Hayward for Fournier... At least not yet. Also, $30M is a lot of cap space and he's got one more left after this season. How about Randle and Fournier for Hayward and Oubre?

I would do this trade - but just barely. We would lose a lot of physicality but it would help increase ball movement, allow Obi time to learn how to rebound and we Oubre would add athleticism and length defensively. It would not really help our outside shooting woes as Oubre is pretty streaky and while Hayward is solid shooting-wise - he's injured quite a bit. But overall I would do it to free up a lot of salary going forward. With Hayward only having one more year - he could be packaged more easily if a high quality player emerges.

fishmike wrote:I just dont see a lot of high tier players that are going to be available... but Cha isnt going anywhere and might go for it for draft comp. Something like Fournier/Rose (Rose then goes to LA or wherever for draft comp as well) and the Dallas/Milw picks.

Hayward is 32 and was hurt earlier but he's still a fantastic player and a Brunson/RJ/Hayward/Randle/Mitch line up is really solid. We keep all the young guys and our own picks as well

Interesting idea. Do like Hayward.
Concern is that he makes $30M. For essentially the same player as Fournier.
Fournier with better 3pt percentage thus far this year and last year.
Also, how would we get Hayward the minutes he is getting with the Hornets?(close to 32)
Especially with Grimes coming back.

Like the idea of getting rid of Fournier and Rose but only if Grimes comes back and performs at high click and we can get another 3pt shooter back. We need all the shooting we can get.

Fixing this year vs. fixing the long term. WE 7 games in.
Despite fan love and optimism the reality is and was we are not that good. Not bad, but not that good.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:If we are buying without considering age than I agree. But on that note, another name to consider is Eric Gordon, who is similar age and provides more defensively still at this age. And fun fact, he just signed with CAA.

Eric Gordon is a good player but not sure he moves the needle much with our current roster. We have a lot of guys with that skill set, even if Gordon is more polished than most. Thing with Hayward is he moves RJ to the 2, and he's a just sub all star player right now. Hayward is as good as anyone on our roster, his problem is staying on the court, but he's great when he is. He's also a guy who really benefits/helps a balanced roster. That's a pretty good front 4 behind Mitch

Hayward has the same strengths and weaknesses as Fournier. He's just taller, less reliable and might be a worst defender (as far as lateral movement).

Eric Gordon is solid, but also inconsistent.

These types of trades are good for a playoff team. But for us, I doubt it moves the needle at all.

Either we make a trade that put us into playoff contention or trade the vets (EF, Randle, Rose) for picks or young bench players. And let the chips fall with the youth. Grab a decent pick and do it again, until the right trade comes around. Meanwhile continue to build and strengthen our base so when we land that major All Star player, we will have a ready made playoff team by then.

I applaud people thinking of ways to improve team but this would be horrible

We need alpha types who don’t crumble under pressure

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Fournier and a protected first round pick for Eric Gordon makes a lot of sense to me. Similar offensive talent with more defensive resistance.

No no, no giving away free picks for a 34yo player, this ain’t Steve Mills territory

Well it’s as much to eliminate Fournier as well. But I understand what you’re saying.