BRIGGS wrote:smackeddog wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Nalod wrote:We are dudes and don’t get it. I understand.
Why it a crime?Grow up guys, at least try to understand the logic.
I understand the issue clearly. But I also believe in second chances. We have an assistant coach whose been accused of a couple of sex crimes. We root for a franchise that has well documented history of nurturing toxic workplace for women. Now we're all going to blush because some guy has a mental issues and needs to whip it out? I have grown up to the point where I realize that everybody who plays for the teams I root for isn't a saint. Sure, there are levels to this, but the Primo situation, as far as I know, doesn't rise to the level of irredeemable.
Would you like to work with a sex pest who enjoys exposing himself to men? Would you feel comfortable in that environment? How about if your boss said "hey- if it's late at night and you're alone with him, this guy might get a thrill out of exposing himself to you (don't worry, he hasn't raped anyone yet!), but he's shown great potential with his accounting skills!"
We don't know all the facts, but I take issue with people downplaying men exposing themselves to women who are not consenting- people have a right to go to work and not have to worry about someone getting a thrill out of showing their d*** to you.
he did something wrong at 19 like millions of 18-19 yo do. It can vary what dumb things kids do but it happens every day. I do NOT think you write a 19 yo off for this. Hes wrong but as long as he did not touch anyone else I think counseling/working with him is the appropriate reasonable response. Their making him out to be a hardcore sex predator--so are you---and I dont think he has come close to that. If a woman exposed her breasts to you--which they do--r they going to face such scrutiny? The punishment does not meet the crime here/
david Cone YES our Mets and Yankees pitcher announcer DID THE SAME F thing. He missed no time in his career and as far as I know never did it again.
Nobody said to write him off. But your cavalier approach like "boys will be boys" is your perspective. Lets put it this way, Spurs flat out cut him out. THats kind of telling. "lets monitor, whats the harm". None, but stating as you did without the facts, and you have no idea what this type of behavior is all about.
So basically your post was about "lets jump on this kids talent, after all, I don't understand this abnormality, and he is so young, after all, haven't we all done stupid stuff, and lots of guys do dick picks, so whats the big deal?"
If you don't know what the big deal is, perhaps sit down and do some reading about it. Men don't seem to get upset because we don't understand. WOmen flashes her tits is not the same. A women, co worker might work with someone every day. Then to pull a power thing on them and start getting aroused on them in person is a clear violation and that is a strong emotional impact.
Lets examine somthing most of us are not going to get upset over........So a women teacher, say 25 years old seduces a 17 year old male student. First thing we think of "Is she hot". Ok, she is. We like "Damn, why couldn't have gotten some of that! Truth is its a crime. Why? Its not like a Male teacher did that to an underage female, taht would be ****ed up, right? Authority figure with predatory behavior taking advantage of a girls emotional state, thinking he loves her and has to keep it all secret because it is very messed up to do that to someone else! Why would it not be the same for a female to male studant? Cuz we are dudes and think banging a teacher would be cool. What if you fell in love with her? What if she promised you all kinds of things and did the super possessive thing and messed with his head?
My point is we don't see it in the same light because we are males. JOsh Primo is not ready to resume a basketball career and not in a few weeks/months. The trama thing? Does it matter why he does it? The fact he does is not good. He needs help and I hope he can get it and earn the trust of friends, fans and coworkers. But lets not this is not an issue. Its rooted in power and dominance and it violates badly. We not talking about a flasher on the street, we talking about people he knows. Rape is not about getting laid, its a violent power play over a human. This is not as severe but violations are not causual and just because you don't udnerstand it does not mean its cool If your trying to understand why people are freaking out well then read up on it.