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NBA Discussing a Hard Cap
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10/28/2022  2:42 PM
The NBPA is saying it's a non starter. Ownership/league side wants to push for a system very close to a hard cap.

Discuss.....

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10/28/2022  3:03 PM
Rookie wrote:The NBPA is saying it's a non starter. Ownership/league side wants to push for a system very close to a hard cap.

Discuss.....

As a fan, I don't care either way. I can see why the NBPA don't want it. The leagues middle class players would get screwed hard.

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10/28/2022  5:32 PM
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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10/28/2022  5:33 PM
With the NFL as a model I prefer a Hard Cap to the current system as the result would likely end up with more player movement and more competitive balance and limit "Super Friend" opportunities. To incentivize the players association, NBA could dangle....

- Higher percentage of the pot for players (revenue sharing) with the looming new TV Contract
- Increase both the Cap Amount and Minimum Salary Floor
- Better Roster flexibility via increased 2 Way contracts with higher base salary to account for injuries
- Incentivizing players for games played (reduce load management)
- Increase League Minimum Salaries

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10/28/2022  6:19 PM
The players should form their own league. They don't need owners. What value do owners bring?

I've thought about it and I think in the NBA, they could do this.

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10/28/2022  6:30 PM
franco12 wrote:The players should form their own league. They don't need owners. What value do owners bring?

I've thought about it and I think in the NBA, they could do this.

The owners hold the leases to the arenas and handle all the administrative aspects. The players would essentially have to hire an entire management group of hundreds of people. They would need a commissioner and each team would fight for its own interest, so in the end, they would be right back where they are now. The players don’t want to form their own league. It will never happen.

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10/28/2022  6:32 PM
Hard so is not happening. The players would never agree and unless the league is willing to give up a season trying to wait the players out, it is a non-starter.
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10/28/2022  7:02 PM
franco12 wrote:The players should form their own league. They don't need owners. What value do owners bring?

I've thought about it and I think in the NBA, they could do this.

Eddie Vedder tried going at it without the machine... it didn't work out

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10/28/2022  8:02 PM
TheGame wrote:
franco12 wrote:The players should form their own league. They don't need owners. What value do owners bring?

I've thought about it and I think in the NBA, they could do this.

The owners hold the leases to the arenas and handle all the administrative aspects. The players would essentially have to hire an entire management group of hundreds of people. They would need a commissioner and each team would fight for its own interest, so in the end, they would be right back where they are now. The players don’t want to form their own league. It will never happen.

And the new league could lease out those same buildings eventually, turning former owners into landlords- which is all they do, basically.

I think interests is the key thing. Right now you have stars essentially taking all of the money

You’d still have franchises, they would collectively be owned by the players. You’d probably want a group of NBA players who would hire the GMs for those franchises, and then those GMS would have some degree of autonomy, hire all of those coaches, scouts, etc. There would be a set budget as % of revenue.

I’ve thought about this a lot. Maybe what you would need is one big money backer to go to the NBAPA and whisper in their ear - you can have it all! That money would kick start everything- you would need a 5 or 1O year plan to get $revenues back to where they are, etc.

AND HERE IS THE THING- maybe the NBAPA writes this kind of business plan as the ultimate thread. Get some McKinsey guys to game it out, research, come up with the #s as far as what costs, revenue would be year to year. CBS Sports would bid for this.

And what is the establishment left with? The owners? Their entire work force (NBA Players) who is the product and the reason we tune in has gone into business for themselves.

What if I open a dental office. I’m not a dentist, so I hire one. 5 years in, he says - why do I need to work for you, I can open my own dental office. Who is paying me to clean or fix their teeth? Would you? I don’t have a dentist anymore to clean your teeth.

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10/28/2022  8:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/28/2022  8:04 PM
Good luck. This would result in a 1-2 year strike. The soft cap is fine and the values of the franchises have been skyrocketing
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10/28/2022  8:06 PM
foosballnick wrote:With the NFL as a model I prefer a Hard Cap to the current system as the result would likely end up with more player movement and more competitive balance and limit "Super Friend" opportunities. To incentivize the players association, NBA could dangle....

- Higher percentage of the pot for players (revenue sharing) with the looming new TV Contract
- Increase both the Cap Amount and Minimum Salary Floor
- Better Roster flexibility via increased 2 Way contracts with higher base salary to account for injuries
- Incentivizing players for games played (reduce load management)
- Increase League Minimum Salaries

NFL is a different situation. Teams have 53 man rosters plus practice squads. Players get hurt all the time so 100% guaranteed contracts is a bad business model

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10/29/2022  9:30 AM
TheGame wrote:
franco12 wrote:The players should form their own league. They don't need owners. What value do owners bring?

I've thought about it and I think in the NBA, they could do this.

The owners hold the leases to the arenas and handle all the administrative aspects. The players would essentially have to hire an entire management group of hundreds of people. They would need a commissioner and each team would fight for its own interest, so in the end, they would be right back where they are now. The players don’t want to form their own league. It will never happen.

And they would have to become REAL business-men. They keep calling themselves “business-men” but naaa… once they would jump into this ocean, they would have to know all of the details and intricacies of running an actual business. It’s why Jalen Rose says the worst thing players can do is open a restaurant. Why? Because they don’t know how to run a business! They would be fish out of water. There would be so many tough decisions they’d have no clue how to make.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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10/30/2022  5:31 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
TheGame wrote:
franco12 wrote:The players should form their own league. They don't need owners. What value do owners bring?

I've thought about it and I think in the NBA, they could do this.

The owners hold the leases to the arenas and handle all the administrative aspects. The players would essentially have to hire an entire management group of hundreds of people. They would need a commissioner and each team would fight for its own interest, so in the end, they would be right back where they are now. The players don’t want to form their own league. It will never happen.

And they would have to become REAL business-men. They keep calling themselves “business-men” but naaa… once they would jump into this ocean, they would have to know all of the details and intricacies of running an actual business. It’s why Jalen Rose says the worst thing players can do is open a restaurant. Why? Because they don’t know how to run a business! They would be fish out of water. There would be so many tough decisions they’d have no clue how to make.

That and one in three restaurants fail in their first year

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