franco12 wrote:who do you think are collapsing? Nets, Sixers, Heat?

Too early yet, but I thought some of those teams might collapse.

It’s on the low a age thing. The majority of superstars are 30+ and have health concerns. However those same older, brittle stars are taking about 25% to 40% of their teams salary cap.

SupremeCommander wrote:

franco12 wrote:who do you think are collapsing? Nets, Sixers, Heat?

Too early yet, but I thought some of those teams might collapse.

here's the interesting one to me --

was the Lakers last championship worth last year, and this year? Their season is already cooked. It's the freakig Lakers and their games fee like Fizzdale is coaching them in February

I'd trade the last decade for one title, even if it was an asterisk bubble season. Now all those picks they gave up... I'd have to think about it. This is the tip of the iceberg for the Lakers. Not only are they gonna suck, but they have little hope of gaining young impactful young talent over the next several years.

SupremeCommander wrote:

franco12 wrote:who do you think are collapsing? Nets, Sixers, Heat?

Too early yet, but I thought some of those teams might collapse.

here's the interesting one to me --

was the Lakers last championship worth last year, and this year? Their season is already cooked. It's the freakig Lakers and their games fee like Fizzdale is coaching them in February

GOod point. Its their champsionship, not ours. So how can we say?

Funny, Nets own Phillys pick this year. At bit complicated as Nets owe Utah a pick but its a “least favorable” type of arrangement. I don’t. Expect first 10 days to continue were some teams that should suck don’t, and visa versa. Suprises happen. Is Lakers really a surprise? We just don’t associate Lebron healthy with a losing team.
Actually all the great ones except Bill Russell had losing seasons on long resume’s. It happens.

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

franco12 wrote:who do you think are collapsing? Nets, Sixers, Heat?

Too early yet, but I thought some of those teams might collapse.

here's the interesting one to me --

was the Lakers last championship worth last year, and this year? Their season is already cooked. It's the freakig Lakers and their games fee like Fizzdale is coaching them in February

Championships are the most important always. Ask Knick fans.
Lakers failure did not come in what they created, it came in what they maintained.
The management has done a bad job keeping/adding the right pieces around LBJ and Davis.
Westbrook has been a train wreck as has the lack of shooting around them.
Management needs to go.

Its not going to undo what has been done. This was In part Lebron, Pelinka, and Jeannie. They took a risk. Westbrook was not expensive to obtain, or that he sucks, its the darn contract! He says all the right things but does not execute. They fired Vogel and thought Ham could get in his head. That Westbrook can’t return to some form of contributing player is predictable because he has been **** the last few years, but that he continues to be is.
He was not awful in Washington as they made a nice late season bubble run. That was it.

nets have no defense talent and simmons is offensively the worst version of himself. He could/Should improve.
Get Harris back in the groove and Seth curry and it should be better. Very hard schedule.
I don’t follow them much so im just repeating what I read.

Meanwhile Knicks “preseason” ends tonite in Milwaukee.

Pelinka must have something on Jeannie or is on Jeannie. He should have been fired last year.
A reporter on ESPN said it best. To be successful in Todays NBA you have to have guys that can stretch the floor and hit from 25 feet away at a good click. The Lakers have no one that can even be called a decent outside shooter.

Agree that when Harris and Curry get back to where they were, the Nets will be a totally different team. Right now, Simmons kick outs are going to guys that can't hit them.

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

franco12 wrote:who do you think are collapsing? Nets, Sixers, Heat?

Too early yet, but I thought some of those teams might collapse.

here's the interesting one to me --

was the Lakers last championship worth last year, and this year? Their season is already cooked. It's the freakig Lakers and their games fee like Fizzdale is coaching them in February

Championships are the most important always. Ask Knick fans.
Lakers failure did not come in what they created, it came in what they maintained.
The management has done a bad job keeping/adding the right pieces around LBJ and Davis.
Westbrook has been a train wreck as has the lack of shooting around them.
Management needs to go.

Its not going to undo what has been done. This was In part Lebron, Pelinka, and Jeannie. They took a risk. Westbrook was not expensive to obtain, or that he sucks, its the darn contract! He says all the right things but does not execute. They fired Vogel and thought Ham could get in his head. That Westbrook can’t return to some form of contributing player is predictable because he has been **** the last few years, but that he continues to be is.
He was not awful in Washington as they made a nice late season bubble run. That was it.

nets have no defense talent and simmons is offensively the worst version of himself. He could/Should improve.
Get Harris back in the groove and Seth curry and it should be better. Very hard schedule.
I don’t follow them much so im just repeating what I read.

Meanwhile Knicks “preseason” ends tonite in Milwaukee.

Pelinka must have something on Jeannie or is on Jeannie. He should have been fired last year.
A reporter on ESPN said it best. To be successful in Todays NBA you have to have guys that can stretch the floor and hit from 25 feet away at a good click. The Lakers have no one that can even be called a decent outside shooter.

Agree that when Harris and Curry get back to where they were, the Nets will be a totally different team. Right now, Simmons kick outs are going to guys that can't hit them.

Again, often its ownership and Jeannie is the governor but there are others who stir the pot. We don't know who is steering the that ship and have a voice. Firing the coach was not the answer. Firing Pelinka is not the answer if the team is not set on a different direction. They won a chip in 2020. Do we know it was in fact Lebron who wanted Westbrook and only him? Did Pelinka protest? Did Vogel protest? Blame is one thing. If you don't change the though process and goals then what does it matter whose to blame?

lets use example of Nets. Joe Tsai wanted Durant and Kyrie and thats were they went. Sean Marks built the team on Prokorhavs direction after the team failed on its starphuch mission. They went in a different direction and Billy king was replaced. Sean Marks only took the gig if he was given 5 years. He succeeded. Then under Tsai the assets in place for a super team. Maybe the should have replaced Marks at when that was directed.
Pelinka succeeded and they won a title. Thats what ownership wanted. From their its gone south. Best thing long term is to not compound the Westbrook mistake. But what is the goal if not? Win now? Not suck as much? Trade AD now, then Lebron next year? They in a pickle. But that Pickle has some chip bling to it!

Maybe. But did Pelinka really deserve any credit? I think very little. Imo, their success was more due to the bandwagon of FAs that followed LBJ and Davis in order to get an honorary chip. At the end of the day, roster issues should be on Pelinka. Now if he is not able to do what he feels should be done then he should quit. If he was forced to get Westbrook, then he should move on. Why be a puppet. If he has been able to make the moves he wanted and failed then he should be fired. Either way, he may not be the right guy for the position. Does Jeannie deserve a lot of the blame? Probably. LBJ pushing too much? Who knows? One thing for me is that who ever is in charge is making "old" decisions. Think getting rid of THT for 34 year old Beverley was one of them.

Still think they can win a chip with LBJ and Davis. More importantly, think you can definitely be better than winless to start the season. What is clear is that they have a major problem. Westbrook absolutely has to go. Pelinka has to go and maybe it's time for Jeannie to give up more control. One of their biggest problems right now is that they just don't have enough assets to get rid of Westbrook or trade for much needed shooting. The only real asset is LBJ and Davis. So you may be right. We may see a day when they start a rebuild and trade their two major assets. Was watching ESPN and several were suggesting they may need to do that. Imagine that?

So far I am impressed with Utah. That sly fox got so many draft picks and he still out a decent team together.

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SupremeCommander wrote:

franco12 wrote:who do you think are collapsing? Nets, Sixers, Heat?

Too early yet, but I thought some of those teams might collapse.

here's the interesting one to me --

was the Lakers last championship worth last year, and this year? Their season is already cooked. It's the freakig Lakers and their games fee like Fizzdale is coaching them in February

The Lakers problem stems from them making bad decisions, like letting Alex Caruso go and trading for Russell Westbrook. If they literally had done nothing other than resign their own players, they would be in much better shape.

Lakers are just old as s. Lebron is ancient. Anthony Davis is a very old 29. Tons of mileage, always injured and refuses to do any conditioning you can see his man boobs developing and the guy is a 7 footer

Jmpasq wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

franco12 wrote:who do you think are collapsing? Nets, Sixers, Heat?

Too early yet, but I thought some of those teams might collapse.

here's the interesting one to me --

was the Lakers last championship worth last year, and this year? Their season is already cooked. It's the freakig Lakers and their games fee like Fizzdale is coaching them in February

Championships are the most important always. Ask Knick fans.
Lakers failure did not come in what they created, it came in what they maintained.
The management has done a bad job keeping/adding the right pieces around LBJ and Davis.
Westbrook has been a train wreck as has the lack of shooting around them.
Management needs to go.

The Westbrook trade broke them. However the changes in the sign and trade rules for over the cap teams has hurt these teams more than anything else

Let it kill the lakers and nets. It killed us for only 18 years