EwingsGlass wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

martin wrote:Shot profiles tell you a lot:

 		2P 	0-3 	3-10 	10-16 	16-3P 	3P
Randle 		.560	.242	.152	.107	.060	.440
Sabonis 	.892	.475	.305	.053	.060	.108	

It tells me that Sabonis finishes at the rim better (0-3), shoots more mid-range shots and less 3pt shots - except it says his 3pt % is 40% so not sure why it says 10.8%. Randle shoots better from 10-23 feet clearly. Randle is a high volume shooter (Sabonis is not) and when he's on it's great... but when he's off we're in trouble since he shoots a lot. I believe we need our offense to run less reliant on any one player - especially if that one player is streaky. That's why I made the point about thinking the offense needs to adjust.

Our team's streakiness this season has mostly been about defensive effort but I would think Randle's up and down shooting at a high clip probably doesn't help when things are not going well. You could say the same about RJ btw...

So if Randle is here for the long haul we still need to adjust the offensive scheme and shift more responsibility to other players IMO. Brunson has done great and RJ began to show signs before the injury... but not sure we don't need to change one of RJ or Randle to really improve in any way. I also don't think adding a Lavine-level player will help much as Thibs seems unlikely to play a new defensively challenged player with this existing roster. He gives Randle a pass, and RJ too. Mitch, Grimes and Brunson have to play so it's eventually going to circle back to needing more from either/both Randle and RJ.

I think the shot chart comment is intended to point out that you are replacing an outside shooter with and inside shooter. But we already have a bit of inside shooters in the starting lineup.

Brunson (48% of shots 0-10 ft)
Barrett (60% of shots 0-10 ft)
Sabonis (78% of shots 0-10 ft)
Robinson (99% of shots 0-10 ft)

All of these guys would be vying for the same small patch of the floor.

Randle works a bit better for us, only taking 39% of shots in the 0-10 ft category. Now, I'd still like him to increase that. 56 from 0-3 and 44 from 3 works for me in an ideal world. But in the Sabonis discussion, you can visualize Sabonis collapsing the floor even further with his inside play. I don't think he works next to Robinson.

Good post. Mentioned how Randle is probably at his best in the area that is already congested but has done what needs to be done to stay by stripe.
I really do not want to give up on RJ, but he may be the one clog that needs to adjust his efficiency from deep as well. Feel Randle just needs to take open threes and not force things. Knowing he is not a high percentage three point shooter.

Question for me, as you pointed out, who can fit better with others preference, according to chart, , that also has same intensity/influence down low and rebounding. While having same level of contract.

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:

martin wrote:Shot profiles tell you a lot:

 		2P 	0-3 	3-10 	10-16 	16-3P 	3P
Randle 		.560	.242	.152	.107	.060	.440
Sabonis 	.892	.475	.305	.053	.060	.108	

It tells me that Sabonis finishes at the rim better (0-3), shoots more mid-range shots and less 3pt shots - except it says his 3pt % is 40% so not sure why it says 10.8%. Randle shoots better from 10-23 feet clearly. Randle is a high volume shooter (Sabonis is not) and when he's on it's great... but when he's off we're in trouble since he shoots a lot. I believe we need our offense to run less reliant on any one player - especially if that one player is streaky. That's why I made the point about thinking the offense needs to adjust.

Our team's streakiness this season has mostly been about defensive effort but I would think Randle's up and down shooting at a high clip probably doesn't help when things are not going well. You could say the same about RJ btw...

So if Randle is here for the long haul we still need to adjust the offensive scheme and shift more responsibility to other players IMO. Brunson has done great and RJ began to show signs before the injury... but not sure we don't need to change one of RJ or Randle to really improve in any way. I also don't think adding a Lavine-level player will help much as Thibs seems unlikely to play a new defensively challenged player with this existing roster. He gives Randle a pass, and RJ too. Mitch, Grimes and Brunson have to play so it's eventually going to circle back to needing more from either/both Randle and RJ.

I think the shot chart comment is intended to point out that you are replacing an outside shooter with and inside shooter. But we already have a bit of inside shooters in the starting lineup.

Brunson (48% of shots 0-10 ft)
Barrett (60% of shots 0-10 ft)
Sabonis (78% of shots 0-10 ft)
Robinson (99% of shots 0-10 ft)

All of these guys would be vying for the same small patch of the floor.

Randle works a bit better for us, only taking 39% of shots in the 0-10 ft category. Now, I'd still like him to increase that. 56 from 0-3 and 44 from 3 works for me in an ideal world. But in the Sabonis discussion, you can visualize Sabonis collapsing the floor even further with his inside play. I don't think he works next to Robinson.

Good post. Mentioned how Randle is probably at his best in the area that is already congested but has done what needs to be done to stay by stripe.
I really do not want to give up on RJ, but he may be the one clog that needs to adjust his efficiency from deep as well. Feel Randle just needs to take open threes and not force things. Knowing he is not a high percentage three point shooter.

Question for me, as you pointed out, who can fit better with others preference, according to chart, , that also has same intensity/influence down low and rebounding. While having same level of contract.

The Barrett issue is a question of "which Barrett".

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629628/traditional

October Barrett should get benched.

November Barrett is sandwiched between Fournier and Reddish.

December Barrett is pretty amazing.

https://dailyknicks.com/2023/01/14/4-reasons-knicks-consider-trading-julius-randle-value-high/3/
MOst of us read enough to understand the empty content of this. Some will be tainted by the suggestion thinking “Well randle will most certainly revert to last years Randle after all, nothing ever good happens to the knicks!”
For that, lets just say we are a damaged lot and prone to think this way. Thus, we must work hard to actually enjoy what is unfolding before us without doom and gloom. Its not easy.

jskinny35 wrote:It's a long season - you're posting this after the first game - which we lost?

Randle played well tonight... but how about we see at least 5 games (with us winning some of them) before you defend your crush.

You needed to see @ least 5 games @ that level?

😆

Well.

It's now been FIFTY (50) GAMES and Julius Randle is STILL playing @ both an All-Star level + an All-NBA level + playing better than even his 2020-2021 All-Star level.

24.8 Points Per Game (Career High).
10.9 Rebounds Per Game (Career High).
4.0 Assists Per Game.
.461 FG% (Career High as a Knick).
21.2 Player Efficiency Rating (Career High).
+
Playing awesome Defense too.

Well.

Looks like Panos has every right to DEFEND HIS "CRUSH".

jskinny35 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:It's a long season - you're posting this after the first game - which we lost?

Randle played well tonight... but how about we see at least 5 games (with us winning some of them) before you defend your crush.

You needed to see @ least 5 games @ that level?

Well.

It's now been FIFTY (50) GAMES and Julius Randle is STILL playing @ both an All-Star level + an All-NBA level + playing better than even his 2020-2021 All-Star level.

24.8 Points Per Game (Career High).
10.9 Rebounds Per Game (Career High).
4.0 Assists Per Game.
.461 FG% (Career High as a Knick).
21.2 Player Efficiency Rating (Career High).
+
Playing awesome Defense too.

Well.

Looks like Panos has every right to DEFEND HIS CRUSH

All this post tells me is that you are too close to the fire with Randle. It's okay to love your favorite player... just don't love him at the expense that you can't accept opposing viewpoints.

If this is impossible for you - you can always start Ultimaterandle.com :)

For like the millionth time. It's not about some love for Randle. Its not that i would never trade him . It's about the moronic constant posts last summer to salary dump him or trade him for a second rounder. Horrible horrible armchair GMing!
Trade your best player for nothing?
Gimme a trade that nets me an Allstar and I'll respect that.

Panos wrote:Man Up!
24/11/6/2
Still the best player on this team.

I think you should become the one to "Man Up" Panos, because I know you're being disingenuous/hypocritical by creating this fake support thread of Julius Randle.

You think I forgot how you crapped all over Julius Randle (alongside of mostly everyone else) within my "leave Julius Randle Alone" thread?

Well, I didn't.

(See below).

Panos wrote:

Rookie wrote:Great, the Knicks are a dysfunctional clown show again. On a night where the Knicks featured ball movement and team play, Randle and his 2 points becomes the story.

Exactly, nice to make NYC even less attractive to Free Agents. SMH

You were harping all over Julius Randle because of a 2 point game while also acting and pretending as if Julius Randle (himself) would make NYC an even "less attractive place" for Free Agents.

Well, thankfully Jalen Brunson didn't listen to you and/or believe what you were typing; now did he?

(I'm like an 🐘 Panos and I haven't forgotten how you refused to have Julius Randle's back as others kicked him while he was down).

If we're gonna be real and stand on our words? Be all the way real about it (don't go playing both sides of the fence man).

Nalod wrote:Jules first knmick to record a 40pt, 15 reb game since Ewing.

I am sorry, but even though statistically Randle is nowadays comparable to Ewing, I still do not see him as the same level of a player. With Ewing you always knew he would get his, and he would find a way to keep the team in the game, you looked to him as the player who can best get a bucket when you need one. With Randle, his scoring still feels a bit like a crapshoot: will them threes go in or not?
If anything, to me the player on his way to be the most "Ewing-esque" is JB, but let's see how consistent he is going to be over the course of several seasons.

Nalod wrote:Lauri is a bit of a suprise this season. He is only 24? It takes time.
True genius is getting guys BEFORE they break out.
While not universally accepted, Randle is that type of player. He came to us as a free agent. THe price was low.

Situation also plays a part. The Bulls only saw Lauri as a spot up shooter. He also had some injuries that slowed his development. The Cavs tried Laurie as their "three". It kinda worked because of Mobley's defensive versatility, but it was still a awkward fit. I listened to a Lauri interview (might've been Lowe or Reddick's podcast) where he credited his time in Cleveland for helping experiment with parts of his game. But a lot of credit has to go to Hardy and his schemes.