gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Philc1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Philc1 wrote:Cam looked awesome tonight
Cam looked the best forward 5o come out of Duke since Grant Hill
The thing about Duke players and why so many have busted or underwhelmed in the nba over the years is just the insane amount of hype they get while in college. Laetner was taken by Team USA over Shaq and he was supposed to be Larry Bird 2.0 and Bobby Hurley was the next Pistol Pete. Grant Hill was going to be better than Jordan and so on
Also, it seems like a lot of Duke players in the one and done era already have NBA bodies by age 18. Zion was a tank before he could legally vote and RJ had an nba body too at the same age. They can just play bully ball in college against stick figures playing for West Virginia state
No question lots of Duke disappointments (busts?). I would say Grant Hill does not fall into that category. A terrible ankle injury derailed his career but it is still one of an all star. Before the injury he was among the most complete players in the game.
Bigger factor, imo, is the one and done percentage in the NBA today. You look at kids like Cam, RJ, Zion and you question if they had enough time to learn the basics of basketball. Think these are times of YouTube dribbling drills and TikTok breaking ankle videos. They have incorrectly taught younger players that this is what really matters. Think true basketball IQ is taught at the College level. When kids still are capable of listening and coaches preach team concepts. Once these players get to the NBA it all becomes about themselves and padding stats to get big contracts. Coaches in the NBA also expect players to know all the basic skills. They have to focus on winning first and foremost. Think this is why there are so many high level NBA pros that just don't know much about basic basketball concepts.
I was lucky to play under my dad who had many years of college coaching experience. Hated when he called out making the wrong play despite having good results. However, appreciated it later on.
Think several of the players we have can get to next level learning basic basketball IQ.
Reason why I have always felt guys like LBJ, Magic, Bird, MJ where at a different level. All had the ability, skills but more importantly all had high level of bball IQ.
Damn Hofstra, this post makes you sound old as hell. LOL Next thing you know you will be screaming at those kids to get off your damn lawn and turn down that 'crap' music.
All joking aside, once collegiate coaches started getting paid like rock stars, I lost a lot of respect for the college game. To me it seems to be a very exploitive business model. I'm sure this does not include your father who I'm guessing loved the game and was more interested in helping young men grow. Sadly, the Pitinos and Caliparis of the world ruined it for most of the good guys.
Lol. I knew I was old when I could no longer dunk and it hurt trying.
Agree with a lot of what you said. The college game was the top learning ground for a lot of players. Egos were not massaged. You learned how to be a team player regardless of your individual
ability. The NCAA has been a victim of what the NBA is. Players come in for one year and coaches hope they can get them an extra year by being easy on them. The goal of developing kids has evaporated and only goal now is about winning while the good players are there
Also agree how the NCAA uses and abuses their athletes. The amount of money they make for their programs and amounts paid to coaches makes it hard to root for kids to stay in school.
Still feel that there are a lot of coaches that develop their players. Jim Boeheim is one of many.
Problem is, as mentioned, the good players are not there long enough to learn anything. Will only get worse once they are allowed to go from HS. When I train some of my players, I mention how a player who learns the fundamentals of basketball, reads defenses and studies offensive concepts can have a huge edge on those that don't. Trying to think of high level Chris Paul/LBJ type IQs amongst the young coming up players and can't seem to think of many. Liked LaMelo for that but have not watched much of him lately.
'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020