Also, That RJ would have been the second best player in the deal. That Jazz wanted an unprotected pick vs. him.

Lets not blast them totally as many knick fans seem to love the easy to tilt of open concept. “We’ll draft someon in the future, or another trade, or get a better player………” At some point decisons have to be made. And someone is accountable for them!!

How many of you want to replace Thibs “With someone better”. Or “lets find out if Obi is better than randle, of not, we’ll figure something out”. Really? That easy? “Well at least we found out”. Thats how we do it?

Danny can pile up all the picks and sit on that fortune but eventually you have to spend it.
Add Utah to Rockets and the ever present Presti Thunder to the tanks. Is Detroit still there? Most likely one succeeds and another team will take its place.

presti used the Seattle Tank to build with Durant and for the most part milked a great long career from it. At some point it has to work? Right?

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Ainge demanding RJ in the package was a show stopper and the FO still in good faith tried to do a deal

RJ was offered with picks. Lets not be stupid about that reality. Ainge said no. Leon offered more picks. They could not agree.
We took RJ off the table. RJ would have been traded by Jazz from what I read. RJ chose to stay and resign. WE used Jazz as leverage? Maybe.
Did Knicks want both and RJ and DM? Likley.

Unknown: how good will RJ be? That will tell the tale of the tape the next few years.
Knicks tried to engage Jazz without RJ. DId Ainge get mad? Petty if he did and took his Cav's deal out of spite.
Knicks picks historically are one thing.

Maybe Ainge looked at knicks and figured "they get DM and fodder for another trade those picks will suck". If Cav's picks suck, at least he won't get made the fool over over media that will love to haunt him for losing a trade to NY.

Still not sure what the “offer” of RJ really meant. It has been somewhat assumed that it was leaked that way so RJ agreed to take a team-friendly contract and no longer demand the max. Seems to have worked. For all of Woj’s reports, he’s also repped by CAA and will get info to pass along in a certain way that may be a bit deceiving when it comes to the Knicks.

Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.

Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.

Allanfan20 wrote:Am I the only one NOT singing the praises of the front office for not caving? From what we are seeing, they offered the Jazz a massive package that was better than what the Cavs gave them… and the Jazz turned it down out of spite.

I’m definitely relieved though.

The Cavs gave them more unprotected picks. (Already stated by many that is what Jazz valued most)
Can be argued by neutral voices that Sexton is as good or better than RJ and has more impact as a PG
Lauri better or as good as Obi or IQ? Knick fans don't think so. But they also thought every other youngster, we had, was an All Star.
Agbaji is a good prospect. Which was one more than Knicks and maybe more value than EF. Who was rumored to be included as well.

DM was a game changer. Guess we will see how it plays out.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.

Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.

We finally resigned some of the guys we drafted so let's just see how it plays out. Next up are Obi, IQ, and Grimes. Maybe in a few years we can field an All draft picks team.

Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.

But what about the deal rumored to be offered early with RJ/Obi/Mitch and 3 unprotected picks?

Also our last offer RJ, Obi, Duece, 2 unprotected, 3 protected plus — moving Fournier for another pick for Jazz —— that’s not showing much restraint imo - that is a big overpay regardless what the Jazz wanted.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Am I the only one NOT singing the praises of the front office for not caving? From what we are seeing, they offered the Jazz a massive package that was better than what the Cavs gave them… and the Jazz turned it down out of spite.

I’m definitely relieved though.

The Cavs gave them more unprotected picks. (Already stated by many that is what Jazz valued most)
Can be argued by neutral voices that Sexton is as good or better than RJ and has more impact as a PG
Lauri better or as good as Obi or IQ? Knick fans don't think so. But they also thought every other youngster, we had, was an All Star.
Agbaji is a good prospect. Which was one more than Knicks and maybe more value than EF. Who was rumored to be included as well.

DM was a game changer. Guess we will see how it plays out.

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Caseloads wrote:Thank goodness we didn't trade for D Mitchell. I wouldn't have traded RJ for DM straight up, let alone all those picks and additional players.

Problem with our base. Would not trade a third year player that has shown issues shooting for a three time All Star? We live to die with unrealistic expectations of our yoot.

It’s a team sport. The idea is to pair DM with RJ. Not trade RJ, assets and multiple first round picks for DM. Btw, Mitchell has gone as far in the playoffs as RJ - one and done

You just said: "its a team sport". So why do you point to players individual playoff appearances as if its not.
Your Daftness never fails to cease.