I accept our line up of

C Robinson

PF Randle

SF Barrett

SG Grimes

PG Brunson

C Hartenstein

F Toppin

F Fournier

G IQ

G Rose

Reddish SIms Mcbride spot spot

Rose will never play 82 games so Reddish and IQ will likely have much more of a role. Also we will see within 20 games what it is with Randle. By installing Grimes we kind of replicate what we had with Bullock. Its not saying Fournier is worse than Grimes its about whats best for the team.

I know we have a lot of picks and some people in the Knick organization are likely hell bent on something to do w Mitchell. Its best to let it go--see what we have here and reevaluate after 20 games.

EwingsGlass wrote:I like Grimes but not as much as you, Briggs. I see a guy that reminds me of Doug Christie. I see a guy that has lived basketball a little longer than the guys he is up against in Summer league. I worry about his 3pt percentage as I tend to think that 3pt percentage and ft% should be correlated. So, where I don’t worry about IQ shooting 34% from 3 because he shoots 88% from the line, I do worry about Grimes even if he shoots 38% from 3 when he shoots 68% from the line. I am intrigued by his ability to put the ball on the floor and his passing. I want to see him get more time, but I am not about to move him in front of IQ in the rotation yet. He could earn that with a strong training camp, but I’d prefer to move EF and slot each one up one spot.

I’ve come full circle with iq—- I actually want him to have a bigger role. We can easily play 3 guards at times and rose is not playing 82 games. I think to get the most out of the team we play 10 guys healthy. Golden state played a lot of ten man rotations through the year. I believe that n grimes. If he slows down and uses a more cerebral approach he’s going to surprise

BigDaddyG wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I do wonder if, putting aside emotion and upside, whether it makes more sense to try and hold on to Grimes and Cam rather than IQ and Obi in a D-Mitch trade, especially if we're not shipping out randle. Two versatile potential 3 and d players who probably fit better with PG, SG and PF clogged up by D-Mitch, Brunson and Randle. Grimes can play SG and SF, and Cam can switch between SG, SF and PF. Where as Obi is kind of limited to PF and capped out at 15 to 18mins due to coaching, and IQ is limited to backup PG and SG.

I think Cam almost has to go in a deal due to his salary. I wouldn't be committed to extending him and it doesn't make sense to keep him only to watch him go. I agree with you about Grimes tho. His defense in the backcourt and outside shooting are natural fits on the team. Obi, if Randle is still on the team, should be shipped as well. IQ also wouldn't be as necessary if Spida is here. Overall, I'm not convinced a Mitchell trade makes sense because of the hole it would leave at the wing position and I'm good passing on the deal.

Cam can be extended until when? Is it seasons start? If not, we can match his salary.
If he has a break out season we can trade him in season to a team that would meet his demands. If not, we lose him.
Teams lose players. Dallas lost Brunson. Boston EF, Nola Randle. Ebb and flow.

The big story potentially RJ. Year three is when you see what you got. And we did. What to pay him? Just turned 22. Based on fan response some want to see him at star levels before paying him star money. I get that. Team will obviously not want that but it will also have to pay on potential still a bit. I can’t pretend to be a star scout and swear on his ascension but at the same time I can’t deny that perhaps fans are missing that he is our cornerstone for now.

Danny Ainge does not want him because Leon won’t give him up? Knicks have the assets they can satisfy Utah and not trade him. Thats so not in our past: Sufficient trade assets to get an 26 year old all star and a legit 22 year old who avg 20 pts a game and plays good defense!
Never since Eddie Donovan was our GM have we been this deep and young. Yeah, Eddie had Bill Bradley and Cazzie Russell rostered. Willis Reed next to Nate Thurmond! Trades were made to get that team right.

Nope, not saying we got chip potential yet. Im just saying this is different. I agree Grimes is valuable as he plays beyond his contract even now. And if he can help me get DM, thats ok too.

Cam can be a starter in this league and I’d like to keep developing him and then trade him if he can’t crack our lineup. Thats how the good get better.

franco12 wrote:I don't think Grimes is ready - he did not perform in summer league against Portland. That doesn't mean he can't continue to grow and potentially end up in the starting line up, perhaps this year.

Depends on the role. Is ready to be a third option on an offense? No. Can he play a role as a 3&D guy in the starting lineup? I think he could handle that right now.

BRIGGS wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I like Grimes but not as much as you, Briggs. I see a guy that reminds me of Doug Christie. I see a guy that has lived basketball a little longer than the guys he is up against in Summer league. I worry about his 3pt percentage as I tend to think that 3pt percentage and ft% should be correlated. So, where I don’t worry about IQ shooting 34% from 3 because he shoots 88% from the line, I do worry about Grimes even if he shoots 38% from 3 when he shoots 68% from the line. I am intrigued by his ability to put the ball on the floor and his passing. I want to see him get more time, but I am not about to move him in front of IQ in the rotation yet. He could earn that with a strong training camp, but I’d prefer to move EF and slot each one up one spot.

I’ve come full circle with iq—- I actually want him to have a bigger role. We can easily play 3 guards at times and rose is not playing 82 games. I think to get the most out of the team we play 10 guys healthy. Golden state played a lot of ten man rotations through the year. I believe that n grimes. If he slows down and uses a more cerebral approach he’s going to surprise

IQ needs to have a bigger role but not as a pg. he’s at his best as a shooting guard coming off the bench with energy. Kinda like 90’s John Starks

fishmike wrote:We are committed to Grimes... he's signed for 3 more years

Grimes might be better in 2-3 years than Fournier but he is NOT better now. Fournier isnt a good defensive player but he's pretty terrific on offense. You need depth here.. best thing to do with Fournier is get the most out of his game for the next 2 years and when he expires promote from within

Dats a bingo. If Grimes accelerates EF contract is reasonable and not long. He is good trade fodder to a contending team dealing with injuries or depth.

smackeddog wrote:I do wonder if, putting aside emotion and upside, whether it makes more sense to try and hold on to Grimes and Cam rather than IQ and Obi in a D-Mitch trade, especially if we're not shipping out randle. Two versatile potential 3 and d players who probably fit better with PG, SG and PF clogged up by D-Mitch, Brunson and Randle. Grimes can play SG and SF, and Cam can switch between SG, SF and PF. Where as Obi is kind of limited to PF and capped out at 15 to 18mins due to coaching, and IQ is limited to backup PG and SG.

I was thinking the same thing. First I wanted to keep IQ and Obi. But with Randle on the team, obi is not getting much playing time. Same with IQ, with Brunson signing that massive contract, IQ will not see much playing time. And IQ is still a tweener in a 6 man build. I don't think he will ever shake that.

Grimes and Reddish fits the positionless NBA that we are starting to see on every team. We need more 2way players like them.

So I agree. The problem is Ainge prefers Grimes and he sees the same thing we see. So thats going to be difficult to sell. And if Grimes is the only player stopping us from getting DMitch, thats a tough pill to swallow for most fans. Depending on Grimes potential ceiling. He has the potential to be an All Star, but he's so far away from that, it's a stretch to even discuss it. I think a 3nD starter is a hard enough ceiling for him to reach, I rather see him reach that first.

This will be an interesting trade or non trade off season for Leon Rose. I hope we are not missing out on other trade opportunities, while dancing with Ainge.

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I do wonder if, putting aside emotion and upside, whether it makes more sense to try and hold on to Grimes and Cam rather than IQ and Obi in a D-Mitch trade, especially if we're not shipping out randle. Two versatile potential 3 and d players who probably fit better with PG, SG and PF clogged up by D-Mitch, Brunson and Randle. Grimes can play SG and SF, and Cam can switch between SG, SF and PF. Where as Obi is kind of limited to PF and capped out at 15 to 18mins due to coaching, and IQ is limited to backup PG and SG.

I was thinking the same thing. First I wanted to keep IQ and Obi. But with Randle on the team, obi is not getting much playing time. Same with IQ, with Brunson signing that massive contract, IQ will not see much playing time. And IQ is still a tweener in a 6 man build. I don't think he will ever shake that.

Grimes and Reddish fits the positionless NBA that we are starting to see on every team. We need more 2way players like them.

So I agree. The problem is Ainge prefers Grimes and he sees the same thing we see. So thats going to be difficult to sell. And if Grimes is the only player stopping us from getting DMitch, thats a tough pill to swallow for most fans. Depending on Grimes potential ceiling. He has the potential to be an All Star, but he's so far away from that, it's a stretch to even discuss it. I think a 3nD starter is a hard enough ceiling for him to reach, I rather see him reach that first.

This will be an interesting trade or non trade off season for Leon Rose. I hope we are not missing out on other trade opportunities, while dancing with Ainge.

Hoping we keep Grimes and IQ out of any trade. Do agree that if it means getting DM, we have to do it but it will hurt a bit. Cam has had chances to do what some think he can do but has been inconsistent and has only proven he can not shoot at a high click.

Still rank the "unproven" yoots as follows:

IQ
Grimes
Obi
Cam
Deuce
Roka
Keels

Still think IQ is our best prospect. Love Obi's energy but he is mostly a role player. Grimes does intrigue me and feel his skill level is up there with IQ. Only worry I have is that Grimes eye test approval may due to his age. If he was doing what he is doing as an 18 year old it would be much more impressive. Cam is in the maybe he can turn it around category. Other three are raw and who knows where they will end up.