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Nalod
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lets assume Leon holds his ground and a reasonable price negotiated.
We all have a different version of "reasonable". Say its met.
Love grimes and he stayed. OK.
You more of an "IQ" kind of guy and he sticks, Thumbs up.
Can't stand EF and he is core salary, boom. Gone.
What ever you deem "reasonable". steal or not won't happen until games played.
Core of:

Randle
Mitch
RJ
Brunson
Spida

Simple.

Yes
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EwingsGlass
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7/18/2022  2:27 PM
At the right price (as you presume) I think you add that piece. My move is to preserve picks over existing players. I think it sucks for Brunson, but if D Mitchell becomes available, I think you are talking about that move. Ideally, I would be putting Spida in the PG slot and not the SG slot. I would also see Barrett develop a step further and moved back to SG. I don't think the Knicks could manage this lineup politically, but if they ended up with an 8 man rotation where everybody got solid minutes, I think this team looks pretty good on paper. I'd be pushing for an OG Anounby type for the extra SF. A shame we couldn't get Jerami Grant for that since he would have been perfect. If you use whatever you didn't spend on Mitchell on Anounby, I think you have a team.

Skip one year:

2024
Spida / Brunson (Three guards split 96 minutes 32 minutes each).
Barrett
Anounby / Reddish (Looking for an athletic 3&D SF to take the bigger bodies off of Barrett and maybe slot into PF when Barrett sits)
Randle
Robinson / Hart

You know I gonna spin wit it
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7/18/2022  2:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2022  2:38 PM
My problem with the trade is the picks. If he opts out after the 24-25 season and goes ring chasing, we are still sending out unprotected picks in 27 and 29. My limit is 2 of our own picks and 3 yoots.

I think it’s too soon for a trade like this though. Let this group raise their trade value with a competent PG.
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7/18/2022  3:32 PM
Rookie wrote:My problem with the trade is the picks. If he opts out after the 24-25 season and goes ring chasing, we are still sending out unprotected picks in 27 and 29. My limit is 2 of our own picks and 3 yoots.

I think it’s too soon for a trade like this though. Let this group raise their trade value with a competent PG.

I believe the Knicks have the best offer by far. And Danny ainge will pick the best offer. The longer this drags on, the smaller the offer gets. And ainge becomes more desperate. Spida Mitch is done on Utah. And there’s no rush on our end. Danny will fold eventually.

I also agree that a competent PG can change an entire team. But that’s a lot to put on JB shoulders. I know we gave him a huge salary but he still has to learn how to be a floor general as the main PG for 82 game season. Spida will help take the pressure off JB. And he already knows how to play with an nba star.

Im definitely for this trade. Even if our back court might look smaller, I’m ok with it since they both play stronger and bigger than their size.

I’m just not sure what’s a fair trade. Since no trade is still good for us, why not just play the wait game like we are doing now. Eventually Utah will take what they can for Spida. Either keep most of the yoots and trade the picks or vice versa. That way we still have trading chips for future picks if necessary.

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7/18/2022  3:33 PM
Voted yes...provisionally. If it's a good trade for us (i.e., 4 picks or fewer and EF + max 2 of our yoots, with hands off of RJ)
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7/18/2022  3:34 PM
Make the trade you might as well bring back Isaiah.
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7/18/2022  9:21 PM
Trading now is selling low.
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7/18/2022  9:33 PM
Whaaaa! Trading now is selling high.

Our last memories of Quickley and Obi were as the dynamic duo. Obi's stock has never been higher.
Grimes and Sims have never been worth more after their summer league performance together.

Granted - these guys all have upside, but once the regular season starts, maybe one of these guys gets enough regular playing time to look halfway decent... and the others fade into relative rotational obscurity, perhaps looking like a star every 5-10 games, and maybe only if there's an injury - in which case we won't want to part with them.

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7/18/2022  9:55 PM
The question i ask is is there a path to a building a championship team? Im still leaning towards No but if a case can be laid out for it then maybe I can be convinced.
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7/18/2022  10:03 PM
If you do trade for him, I think you move OBI, IQ, Fournier and 3 unprotected Knicks firsts. Heat can’t give anything better and it’s fair value.
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7/19/2022  6:42 AM
TPercy wrote:If you do trade for him, I think you move OBI, IQ, Fournier and 3 unprotected Knicks firsts. Heat can’t give anything better and it’s fair value.

I like that package- but still would like to put some protection on the picks- simple to do as we have so many- so I would say- you get ours unless it's top ten, then you get one of the other picks we have from other teams.

I wonder also if our front office prefers to keep Grimes over IQ- because I am wondering if I prefer to keep IQ since he did display a nice PG game.
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7/19/2022  7:55 AM
Yes.

Last time the Knicks drafted someone of Donovan caliber was waaaay back in 85. Knicks have struck out time and time again at the draft so I couldn't care less about the picks.

4 FRP
Fournier
Grimes
Cam

I would be hesitant to move Obi and Quickley because I don't trust Rose to finish out the season and moving Obi leaves us with ONE TRUE PF on the depth chart. Sims, I'm also not including because I don't think we can after just signing him (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong) and because I don't trust M.Robinson to finish the season either.

To be quite honest.....I'm ok with swapping Cam for RJ as well. I like RJ but I'm not as high on him as some on this board are. I don't see him as an All-Star or someone that will lead an NBA team to the Finals. Just a good player. I'm sure on a crappy team he would put up big numbers but they would be just empty stats like J. Grant on the Pistons last year but, if I do swap him for Cam, then the package changes to 3FRP
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7/19/2022  8:43 AM
Hmmm I think I’ve cracked it. Trade for Mitchell. Pay off Adam Silver to make 2023 the double draft, then draft a Bronny James with a 2nd round pick. Lebrons panties get wet, precipitating a sign and trade 2023 FA where we give up Randle and a pick.

Brunson
Mitchell
RJ
Lebron
Robinson

Rose
Bronny
Grimes
Reddish
Hartenstein

2024 champions

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franco12
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7/19/2022  10:03 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:Yes.

Last time the Knicks drafted someone of Donovan caliber was waaaay back in 85. Knicks have struck out time and time again at the draft so I couldn't care less about the picks.

4 FRP
Fournier
Grimes
Cam

I would be hesitant to move Obi and Quickley because I don't trust Rose to finish out the season and moving Obi leaves us with ONE TRUE PF on the depth chart. Sims, I'm also not including because I don't think we can after just signing him (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong) and because I don't trust M.Robinson to finish the season either.

To be quite honest.....I'm ok with swapping Cam for RJ as well. I like RJ but I'm not as high on him as some on this board are. I don't see him as an All-Star or someone that will lead an NBA team to the Finals. Just a good player. I'm sure on a crappy team he would put up big numbers but they would be just empty stats like J. Grant on the Pistons last year but, if I do swap him for Cam, then the package changes to 3FRP

I was going to agree with you, but we did trade 2 unconditional picks for Eddy Curry- those picks turned into LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah.

So I will only trade so many picks that have no protection on them. Like maybe 1.

Obi has never had more value, and may never have more value - same for IQ & Grimes- not advocating to dump them, just noting that this might be the best time to package them into the right deal.
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7/19/2022  10:52 AM
There is a rumor of the knicks interested in Westbrook if we get Mitchell. A logical move to create cap space for another max player to join Mitchell. If the rumors are true. Maybe the FO would also like to hold on to Obi. Wont make sense to trade your only PF.

Ideally i want both obi and Grimes to remain a knick after trading for Mitchell, that might mean attaching 5-6 1st round picks to make it happen. Im curious whats Obi like playing with Brunson and Mitchell.

I kinda want a year 1 in the Mitchell era to have a starting 5 of

Mitch
Obi
Rj
Mitchell
Brunson

Year 2 target a"Batman"! I think they can be good enoughto get to the playoffs. I really think If both Brunson and Mitchell are with the knicks, both will have career years just to stick it to all the critics.
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7/19/2022  12:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2022  12:03 PM
Brunson - scoring from midrange/paint,not great from 3, not great defense
DM- scoring from midrange/paint, not great from 3, not great defense
RJ - scoring from paint, not great from 3, good defense
Randle - scoring from paint/midrange, not great from 3, not great defense
Mitchell - scoring from paint only, great defense

That's our starting lineup, featuring no true 3 point threat. Hello Zone defense. Here is my lunch money. Only 2 defensive players on the other end

Grimes- scoring from 3, great defense

To me Grimes turns our starting lineup into an interesting one on D and gives an excellent ( only true) option from 3. That's in his second year.

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7/19/2022  12:21 PM
ramtour420 wrote:Brunson - scoring from midrange/paint,not great from 3, not great defense
DM- scoring from midrange/paint, not great from 3, not great defense
RJ - scoring from paint, not great from 3, good defense
Randle - scoring from paint/midrange, not great from 3, not great defense
Mitchell - scoring from paint only, great defense

That's our starting lineup, featuring no true 3 point threat. Hello Zone defense. Here is my lunch money. Only 2 defensive players on the other end

Grimes- scoring from 3, great defense

To me Grimes turns our starting lineup into an interesting one on D and gives an excellent ( only true) option from 3. That's in his second year.


Before folks anoint Grimes the starting SG, can you explain to me what happened to him during the Summer League Championship game - seems he came up small in a big game. How does that translate to being an NBA starter?

He might get there, but too early to project that out.

I do agree though that we need to be wary of who and what we give up and how we construct our roster - EF is still the main 3pt threat.
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7/19/2022  12:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2022  12:31 PM
PUsh the rock up the hill as far as you can. If its with DM, cool.
If we can't get to the summit, there will other things we an do.

The Westbrook thing is interesting. Dump Randle and his trade kicker, and EF for Westbrook and just buy him out. create cap space for whom?
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2023/

Not a banner year. Lakers keeping AD? Play him at center and Randle at PF? Not sure I see that. But not for me to either.
we so jones up to get OBI playing time we do that?

22 votes. Curious if we can get a better sample.
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franco12 wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:Yes.

Last time the Knicks drafted someone of Donovan caliber was waaaay back in 85. Knicks have struck out time and time again at the draft so I couldn't care less about the picks.

4 FRP
Fournier
Grimes
Cam

I would be hesitant to move Obi and Quickley because I don't trust Rose to finish out the season and moving Obi leaves us with ONE TRUE PF on the depth chart. Sims, I'm also not including because I don't think we can after just signing him (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong) and because I don't trust M.Robinson to finish the season either.

To be quite honest.....I'm ok with swapping Cam for RJ as well. I like RJ but I'm not as high on him as some on this board are. I don't see him as an All-Star or someone that will lead an NBA team to the Finals. Just a good player. I'm sure on a crappy team he would put up big numbers but they would be just empty stats like J. Grant on the Pistons last year but, if I do swap him for Cam, then the package changes to 3FRP

I was going to agree with you, but we did trade 2 unconditional picks for Eddy Curry- those picks turned into LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah.

So I will only trade so many picks that have no protection on them. Like maybe 1.

Obi has never had more value, and may never have more value - same for IQ & Grimes- not advocating to dump them, just noting that this might be the best time to package them into the right deal.

The Knicks would have drafted Adam Morrison and Spencer Hawes. lol

I'm not emotionally attached to any of the Knicks players. I love watching O. Toppin run the floor. I think Grimes is going to be a fantastic role player in the league and I feel Quickley will one day win a 6th man award and I will trade each one of them in an INSTANT if it helps improve the team NOW.

All this talk about waiting and developing is loser talk.
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7/19/2022  2:31 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:Yes.

Last time the Knicks drafted someone of Donovan caliber was waaaay back in 85. Knicks have struck out time and time again at the draft so I couldn't care less about the picks.

4 FRP
Fournier
Grimes
Cam

I would be hesitant to move Obi and Quickley because I don't trust Rose to finish out the season and moving Obi leaves us with ONE TRUE PF on the depth chart. Sims, I'm also not including because I don't think we can after just signing him (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong) and because I don't trust M.Robinson to finish the season either.

To be quite honest.....I'm ok with swapping Cam for RJ as well. I like RJ but I'm not as high on him as some on this board are. I don't see him as an All-Star or someone that will lead an NBA team to the Finals. Just a good player. I'm sure on a crappy team he would put up big numbers but they would be just empty stats like J. Grant on the Pistons last year but, if I do swap him for Cam, then the package changes to 3FRP

I was going to agree with you, but we did trade 2 unconditional picks for Eddy Curry- those picks turned into LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah.

So I will only trade so many picks that have no protection on them. Like maybe 1.

Obi has never had more value, and may never have more value - same for IQ & Grimes- not advocating to dump them, just noting that this might be the best time to package them into the right deal.

The Knicks would have drafted Adam Morrison and Spencer Hawes. lol

I'm not emotionally attached to any of the Knicks players. I love watching O. Toppin run the floor. I think Grimes is going to be a fantastic role player in the league and I feel Quickley will one day win a 6th man award and I will trade each one of them in an INSTANT if it helps improve the team NOW.

All this talk about waiting and developing is loser talk.

I bet Isiah said the same thing when he traded for Curry.
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7/19/2022  6:08 PM
Fascinating 13 apiece thus far. Was not expecting this.
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