early 90’s it was seen as a low point that the league was a bit thin. You had Heat, Timberwolves, Grizz, and Hornets all came in the late 80’s. It’s a theory that the great Bulls teams in the aftermath did not have strong peers/parity at the top to compete strongly with them. There are statistics that back that up. The whole “was Jordan really that great” argument is well chronically with opinions so lets not go there. F

Russell presented that even bad teams today are better than the really bad teams in the past. That the talent is far greater. Look at the top players now? International!!!! Yes, even Canadian players are now more relevant. Back then you had Bill wennington as the big dog, then Nash, and now there are quite a few. The kids from Africa are also making their way hear and are important. The French players and Easter Europeans are better than ever. Giannis, Luka, Embiid are the top.

Gleague is morphing over time into a real developmental feeder and opportunity.

Adding Vegas and Seattle won’t dilute the product too much is the suggestion as it has in the past.
At some point it makes sense for some of the top euro teams to buy its way into the NBA. Not sure how many would make it work and iron out the logistics. You need a full conference not just to reduce travel but also have some great rivalries. The NBA style arenas are there now and the TV revenue makes sense as it can be live in the natural time zones.

Boom.

That’s the name of a company that is building commercial supersonic airliners. Domiciled in Colorado they are soon to break ground in North Carolina to manufacture. They have contracts in hand already from airlines and US Air Force.

They can use such planes to greatly reduce travel times helping the teams cut down on hours spent between continents.

It’s coming at some point.

sidsanders wrote:intl expansion or "standard" expansion most likely will not change there is still only a handful of tier 1 talent. seems like what most of these things are, $ grabs. not a view most will have or like, i prefer they get rid of a few teams, and i would do this in nhl/nfl/mlb as well. too many eyes filled with $ for that to happen.

Can't speak for the other leagues as I don't follow it. American Football outside of Canada or american samoa does not produce the athletes that NBA attracts.

Adding 6 teams via international I agree would be dilutive for sure. The point is "bad teams" now have talent and there is more parity now then in previous generations.
Look at Orlando, Houstan and OKC.........Even Sac. Teams are loaded with young talent and picks. They can turn it up if they want to.
Then you have Toronto who is rebuilding with a Siakim and OG both INTL players. Nets rebuilt with no basically no picks after the Pierce/Garnett era failed and in short order did well enough to trade out talent and make room for KD and Kyrie.

Warriors rebuilt with yoot and the HOF core still intact. Kuminga is a big part of their future. Yes, well run teams with a plan and bit of luck can do things.
Perhaps disincentivizing the Tank has a lot to do with bottom parity and thus teams looking at the long view. There has to be winning and losing teams. We don't have super running dynasties nor super sucky teams at the moment. Free agency and the cap rules also contributes.
But the talent still has to come from somewhere. Top 4 via MVP voting... Joic, Giannis, Luka, and Embiid all come from places USA.
Kyrie is an alien.

I'm only in favor of expansion if LeBron gets the team in Las.Vegas.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
At some point it makes sense for some of the top euro teams to buy its way into the NBA. Not sure how many would make it work and iron out the logistics. You need a full conference not just to reduce travel but also have some great rivalries. The NBA style arenas are there now and the TV revenue makes sense as it can be live in the natural time zones.

Boom.

That’s the name of a company that is building commercial supersonic airliners. Domiciled in Colorado they are soon to break ground in North Carolina to manufacture. They have contracts in hand already from airlines and US Air Force.

They can use such planes to greatly reduce travel times helping the teams cut down on hours spent between continents.

It’s coming at some point.

The Concorde flight from NY to London took 3 hours. From NY it is OK, but from LA, you can imagine the pain. Plus the timezone adjustment for the athelets will be on a whole different level. From experience, after a 10 hour overnight flight to Argentina or Brazil you are a lot more productive than after a 7 hour flight to Europe. And for viewers too. Also speaking from experience, I doubt anyone in Europe will wake up at 2-4AM to watch games being played across the pond, and waiting to see a game on time delay while trying to not inadvertently learn the final score is also a hassle. So, forget about a single US-Europe league.
And as for separate leagues we already have the Eurolague, no? And the level of interest and money is what it is, completely dwarfed by soccer.
A better idea is for the NBA to allow transfer payments to European clubs for their players. It would give Euro clubs another lucrative source of revenue and create a real incentive for them to develop players and popularize the sport, so more kids get into it.

yet to materialize. If it comes to fruition there must be a division of games and the teams there must acclimate and stay there for some. Yes, the issue of US fans watching their teams in this odd times can only be secure when they can DVR and not know the outcome. The revenue form sports better is also a consideration there.

True, there is a separate thing now and its working for them. Perhaps when the money gets on parity and those teams play more games to pay bigger stars it could be forced. But if I stated its soon to happen I’d be wrong.

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe its going to happen in earnest until the war in Ukraine is over, and rebuilding has begun. Still the potential for causing even more of a disruption to the rest of the world. At minimum its probably going to cause a delay.

Been following the recent push for supersonic commercial travel as well. Doing it with renewable energy will be a game changer.

Supersonic flight can still only be over water. But there is. A lot of it!
Good point about the war. Europe recession will be a bit tougher than ours.
This is still years away and much to figure out. Maybe Mexico City and South America would be easier? Does Vancouver have the chops not to keep it? Weak dollar weak not easy on them. Toronto was east coast and survived Isiah.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe its going to happen in earnest until the war in Ukraine is over, and rebuilding has begun. Still the potential for causing even more of a disruption to the rest of the world. At minimum its probably going to cause a delay.

Been following the recent push for supersonic commercial travel as well. Doing it with renewable energy will be a game changer.

Supersonic flight can still only be over water. But there is. A lot of it!
Good point about the war. Europe recession will be a bit tougher than ours.
This is still years away and much to figure out. Maybe Mexico City and South America would be easier? Does Vancouver have the chops not to keep it? Weak dollar weak not easy on them. Toronto was east coast and survived Isiah.

Unfortunately the war has the potential to get even worse. This op-ed is way too gung-ho for my liking. The writer is far too dismissive about the perils of escalation. It does do a good job of pointing out what could lie ahead.

It does miss the potential for a new administration (and new majority in congress) which is in favor of the US leaving NATO, and western Europe without backup. Arguing that it was too expensive,and not our fight. Thats when things would really unravel. Would also encourage the rest of the world to abandon the dollar. Its doing great now. Not if we turn into "fortress America".

Diplomacy is on the back burner right now. Hoping to see a new round of talks, before winter.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/17/putin-is-already-at-war-with-europe-there-is-only-one-way-to-stop-him

And we all know some European countries don’t do well under adversity and lean to nationalistic pride when pressed.
Putin failed economic policies now engage in centuries old turf battle where the rich play with pawns to sustain its wealth. It is our history to attempt isolation until our trade partners faulted and we dragged into the mess by conjuring up our own position of morality. Wars are about money. Roosevelt did not care about the Nazi policy of extermination. Of Jews and other “undesirables” until it was thought a bipolar economy by the communist growth would freeze ours out. It was seen then we could exist with Nazi germany as trade partners if they found a peace. But fanatical powers could not rationalize compromise and once Hiter went east he lost that option. Japan underestimated our resolve by attacking our eastern fleet. We used the fear of invasion and whipped our boys into lining up and volunteering to save our land, and freedoms.

Today we construe the most important of those freedoms to carry arms that are designed to kill people over principles and the abusing of our constitution to argue church over state as religion to motivate GOP to consolidate power. Our country was founded on principles that people persecuted for their religion can come here and practice freely.

Fucking depressing ****. Steps forward come with a price. It’s been a great run. We are a hostile species and the planet is also hostile. Weather, earthquakes, volcano, etc kills. Far from perfect but I had a good run. Nobody deserves better but I want my kids to experience a degree of happiness I have. They had a great 1st 30 years. Better than mine. The next 30 remains to be seen. My next 30 will be of decline and sustainability.

I wish I had more spirituality to think I’m going to a better place. Fact is my life is far from perfect but overall awesome by most measures.

It infuriates me that trump and minions of idiocy that voted for him could not conjure any idea his fondness for Putin would have some consequences down the road. The lack of intelligence of thought is and was incredible. It’s ok to be a republican. Just not an *******. This is long been Americans history. Isolationist policies that until it hits the home don’t matter.

We are perhaps a few generations from getting t his right. We are getting close. Like I said, my life is awesome. I never fought in a war and never lost a child to battle either. In the history of mankind, that makes me special.

Also, I was a 12 year old rabid Knick fan by 1973 and at least I have that! That, and the 1974 and 1976 Long Island NY NEts with DR. J. Three chips in 4 years from the teams I followed.

Most important My family life. I married an incredible women and we had great kids. Yeah, Im good.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Dont believe its going to happen in earnest until the war in Ukraine is over, and rebuilding has begun. Still the potential for causing even more of a disruption to the rest of the world. At minimum its probably going to cause a delay.

Been following the recent push for supersonic commercial travel as well. Doing it with renewable energy will be a game changer.

Supersonic flight can still only be over water. But there is. A lot of it!
Good point about the war. Europe recession will be a bit tougher than ours.
This is still years away and much to figure out. Maybe Mexico City and South America would be easier? Does Vancouver have the chops not to keep it? Weak dollar weak not easy on them. Toronto was east coast and survived Isiah.

Unfortunately the war has the potential to get even worse. This op-ed is way too gung-ho for my liking. The writer is far too dismissive about the perils of escalation. It does do a good job of pointing out what could lie ahead.

It does miss the potential for a new administration (and new majority in congress) which is in favor of the US leaving NATO, and western Europe without backup. Arguing that it was too expensive,and not our fight. Thats when things would really unravel. Would also encourage the rest of the world to abandon the dollar. Its doing great now. Not if we turn into "fortress America".

Diplomacy is on the back burner right now. Hoping to see a new round of talks, before winter.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/17/putin-is-already-at-war-with-europe-there-is-only-one-way-to-stop-him

And we all know some European countries don’t do well under adversity and lean to nationalistic pride when pressed.
Putin failed economic policies now engage in centuries old turf battle where the rich play with pawns to sustain its wealth. It is our history to attempt isolation until our trade partners faulted and we dragged into the mess by conjuring up our own position of morality. Wars are about money. Roosevelt did not care about the Nazi policy of extermination. Of Jews and other “undesirables” until it was thought a bipolar economy by the communist growth would freeze ours out. It was seen then we could exist with Nazi germany as trade partners if they found a peace. But fanatical powers could not rationalize compromise and once Hiter went east he lost that option. Japan underestimated our resolve by attacking our eastern fleet. We used the fear of invasion and whipped our boys into lining up and volunteering to save our land, and freedoms.

Today we construe the most important of those freedoms to carry arms that are designed to kill people over principles and the abusing of our constitution to argue church over state as religion to motivate GOP to consolidate power. Our country was founded on principles that people persecuted for their religion can come here and practice freely.

Fucking depressing ****. Steps forward come with a price. It’s been a great run. We are a hostile species and the planet is also hostile. Weather, earthquakes, volcano, etc kills. Far from perfect but I had a good run. Nobody deserves better but I want my kids to experience a degree of happiness I have. They had a great 1st 30 years. Better than mine. The next 30 remains to be seen. My next 30 will be of decline and sustainability.

I wish I had more spirituality to think I’m going to a better place. Fact is my life is far from perfect but overall awesome by most measures.

It infuriates me that trump and minions of idiocy that voted for him could not conjure any idea his fondness for Putin would have some consequences down the road. The lack of intelligence of thought is and was incredible. It’s ok to be a republican. Just not an *******. This is long been Americans history. Isolationist policies that until it hits the home don’t matter.

We are perhaps a few generations from getting t his right. We are getting close. Like I said, my life is awesome. I never fought in a war and never lost a child to battle either. In the history of mankind, that makes me special.

Also, I was a 12 year old rabid Knick fan by 1973 and at least I have that! That, and the 1974 and 1976 Long Island NY NEts with DR. J. Three chips in 4 years from the teams I followed.

Most important My family life. I married an incredible women and we had great kids. Yeah, Im good.

Some good stuff there Nalod. We grew up in NYC at the same time. It was the good old days, and the bad old days at the same time. Great memories of that time, in spite of the bad stuff about the 70s.

Still, I see kids growing up today, and I feel sad that older generations have handed them such a ____ sandwich. Mostly because of greed. Its going to be worse than anything we've faced.

Yeah it get that. Also the good old days NYC was a trash pit, Cayuga in Ohio river went on fire! Smog, Nixon, NYC bankrupt, inflation, Vietnam, same conservative vs progression crap in different rappers. Kids ran free and no worries but the priests were all over the choirboys, Daddy or grandpa was on the girls, and nobody talked about the dark **** of domestic violence or alcoholism. If you were gay, had to keep it in the closet or risk your world turning its back on you. To deal with it, we suppressed our **** and partied. Before us Elvis was gonna corrupt if Joseph MCarthy could not save us.
Each generation has its own ****. We had our presidents who were not always good folk wrapped in a cloak of being accomplished, educated, and intellectual. Trump was a ****ing idiot who did little to accomplish a thing. John Kennedy at least was a bit of a war hero, and at least he went. He got a good education, wrote good stuff, actually won elections and proved effective as a legislator to some degree. Trump? Comical **** rich kid **** head.

But thru it the music was good, my single mom worked her ass off, got an education and ran her own business. American dream that she pulled herself up. She had some help but not much. In fact her family growing up really discarded her.

As always, the best of times, the worst of times. I don’t have to live in NYC but can be a big fan and watch every game in glorious high def on my 75 inch tv with killer sound! Remember when movie Moguls had home theatres? Now we all got them if you gave the room.

Perspective is not easy to obtain. Takes work. I hang hear in my TV time. Watch less, chat or babble on my UK friends. But I don’t usually do politics or Abortion stuff. Some of the dudes here are pretty smart. I do learn or gain perspective. Some are dumb as rocks and show it. Cross section of humanity like anything else.