Nalod wrote:they had reported a few minutes after 6pm. Dallas did not get a meeting.
Reality is this **** gets done all the time and maybe Dallas knew they were screwed and tried to make it look like they got the rug pulled out and try to get something.

Technically it was unavoidable to NOT tamper with your dad, Your agent and his dad, and uncle Wes.
Fact is he wanted to play here.
Dallas screwed the pooch.

Fuck Dallas they could have offered a deal last season and didn't. They put it off to conserve cap space and they got burned

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:they had reported a few minutes after 6pm. Dallas did not get a meeting.
Reality is this **** gets done all the time and maybe Dallas knew they were screwed and tried to make it look like they got the rug pulled out and try to get something.

Technically it was unavoidable to NOT tamper with your dad, Your agent and his dad, and uncle Wes.
Fact is he wanted to play here.
Dallas screwed the pooch.

Fuck Dallas they could have offered a deal last season and didn't. They put it off to conserve cap space and they got burned

Ok, we fans don’t see the issue with a moral play. Righteous nor not, was it tampering?

Of course it's tampering. Every deal announced just minutes before free agency is the result of tampering. The question is can they prove it was tampering? Are there transcripts of Rick and Jalen speaking in code during their workouts or Father's Day dinner? Even if they do find proof, who cares? They'll just take away another second round pick and every body will forget about by October.

In an article that appeared in The Athletic yesterday, Knicks beat writer Fred Katz started a small firestorm by stating the following about Jalen Brunson’s recent deal with the New York Knicks:

From what I’ve gathered, the Mavericks are quite frustrated with the Knicks — and not just because reports of a finished deal came out before New York was even allowed to speak with Brunson (though I am not sure how tampering rules account for father-son relationships, and this situation involves two of those). Dallas wasn’t thrilled about Knicks executive William “World Wide Wes” Wesley showing up courtside to a Mavs-Jazz playoff game, either.

And:

People I talk to around the league expect the Knicks to get dinged for tampering. They started dumping salary for Brunson on draft night. They continued their offloading five days later, 48 hours before free agency even began. They had let go of almost $33 million by the time they could talk to Brunson.

Despite silence from the NBA on the issue, multiple outlets have taken Katz’s quote and run with it. NBCSports.com posted, “Report: Knicks expected to get penalized for tampering with Jalen Brunson.” ClutchPoints.com ran, “REPORT: Knicks expected to be punished for Jalen Brunson signing after deal leaks before free agency.” TheSpun.com had the piece, “NBA World Reacts To Knicks Free Agency Punishment News.”

To reiterate, the NBA has released no official statements about the situation.

Could there have been tampering? Who, us? The 6’1”, 190 lb. point guard’s personal ties to the Knicks’ organization are well-documented: his dad’s an assistant coach, the head coach and team president are nominal uncles or godfathers, the team president’s son is Brunson’s agent, etc. Frankly, not signing Brunson would have been considered one of the all-time Knicks’ follies (and there have been plenty). You bet it’s possible that Rick Brunson, Jalen’s dad, mentioned the Knicks while passing the mashed potatoes at Sunday dinner. If Rick didn’t, why’d New York hire him to be an assistant coach in the first place?

No doubt, Dallas wants to save face. For an organization that claimed to prioritize their budding star, botching the Brunson deal looks like a major gaffe on Dallas’ part. As explained by Marc Stein in the September 29th episode of The Mismatch, the Mavs came into this season knowing that Brunson was eligible for a four-year extension, with compensation up to $56 million. Dallas chose to wait and see if a trade involving Brunson to upgrade their roster would be possible.

Both the trade deadline and the playoffs came and went without an extension. According to Stein in the podcast, Rick Brunson reassured Dallas during the playoffs that Jalen was still amenable to the extension deal. Still, Dallas would not commit. Finally, the exceedingly patient Brunson decided to test the open market, and wisely so, given that he’ll now earn almost double the amount for which Dallas could have locked him in.

So, the Mavs blew it, and now they want to redirect the narrative. Let them try. Tampering happens all the time in today’s NBA, and, as Masai Ujiri once remarked, “It’s incredible how every NBA team has a deal done by 6:02.” We’ll have to wait and see if Adam Silver thinks the Knicks did anything especially egregious to get their man. I’d bet he doesn’t.

There has to be evidence and likely we never see it if knicks are dinged for a 2nd.
But the “reports” are not from the league so we don’t really know. Dallas has to put on a good face. Funny, while it looks like Dallas is our trade bitch given how The KP trade did not work out for them, they still made conf finals while we were at home.
So to say “All they got for KP was Dinwiddie and Davis Bertans is shallow. Timmy is on the bench too but thats another story. Last year the Randle story was briliant but the jury is back out on that one.

As for a tamper, I’d say there has to be pretty clear evidence knicks crossed a line. I doubt Cap space was it.

Knixkik wrote:

TheGame wrote:Honestly, teams like the current lax system. If there was no tampering, then teams would have to tie up their cap for days while guys figured out which team they will select. Reaching deals prior to the start of FA allows teams to swiftly move on to the second tier guys. This is why the NBA does not impose tough penalties because the system actually works better if there is some level of tampering.

Agreed. This is a good way to look at it. The superstar on the block holds things up enough. But they want the top guys to make their decisions sooner so the rest don’t just wait around. It becomes a game of musical chairs where some players get screwed otherwise. I think as long as the tampering isn’t too blatant than it works fine. Brunson is a unique situation though because of the family situation. You have to wonder how it’s possible to avoid tampering in his case. I wouldn’t expect him to completely avoid talking about basketball and his future with his family. And the argument that his dad was hired before free agency for this reason doesn’t hold up. Brunson has worked on everyone of Thibs teams. And Knicks just lost an assistant to Louisville and simply replaced him. It’s a lazy connection for people to make.

very lazy indeed. Fans are drawn to clickbait and the casual glance absorbs as "Rumors", which implies some elements of truth/potential.
We read it every day on these pages with the very occasional parroting of popular regurgitations of past regressions.
The negative prognosticator feels wise vs the optimist who is vilified as a fool.
Who to believe?

Nobody. Have fun and see it play out! Back on subject: "Has Dallas filed a complaint??

technomaster wrote:New York/Dallas have been very willing trade partners, and if not by trade, they pick up each other's free agents! They certainly seem to co-scout players - or at least, have visions of catching the same lightning in a bottle. As soon as one gives up on a player, he ends up on the other team. It's a very, very odd relationship. They don't even need to trade.

From the past decade I've counted 22 connections (I may have missed some?!):
Kidd
Chandler
Novak
DSJ
Ntilikina
Fisher (okay, he was our coach)
Curry
Calderon
Larkin
Stoudemire
Felton
Matthews
David Lee
Quincy Acy
Noel
McDermott
Burke
THJr
Kidd-Gilchrist (not sure if he actually played for the Knicks?!)
KP
Pinson
Bullock

Deandre Jordan and Wesley Matthews may technically count.

Courtney Lee and Trey Burk also.