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will Obi Toppin and Quickley be upset w this offseason?
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BRIGGS
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7/3/2022  7:32 PM
Knicks couldve went more in their direction but chose not to--are they upset?
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ToddTT
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7/3/2022  8:51 PM
Hoping IQ adds tricks to his playbook from both Rose and Brunson.

I think IQ will see plenty of minutes and be fine.

I think Obi, like many of us, did not expect Randle to be shipped out. But I do hope there are more minutes for him this year. I just don’t know where they’ll come from.

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
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7/4/2022  5:39 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Knicks couldve went more in their direction but chose not to--are they upset?

We did go more in their direction, we got rid of Burks and Noel and got younger. We got them a point guard who will hopefully make their life a lot easier. The press release specifically said we're building via our youth. Plus Kris from KFS said he was told that Randle got told if he's back with the team this season, it's on the terms of having a reduced role. Aside from jettison Randle, what more could they have done? (still holding out for that. Still a possibility we ditch Fournier).

Do not underestimate the importance of having a viable PG for developing young players- it's crucial.

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7/4/2022  7:54 AM
Not sure what their “direction” was supposed to be.


We got a functional starting pg which helps Obi because he’s an Amare clone. IQ is not a point guard. Sorry to all the people who have been swearing that up and down. He can help out as a backup pg but his best position by far is the 2 guard

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7/4/2022  11:19 AM
Philc1 wrote:Not sure what their “direction” was supposed to be.


We got a functional starting pg which helps Obi because he’s an Amare clone. IQ is not a point guard. Sorry to all the people who have been swearing that up and down. He can help out as a backup pg but his best position by far is the 2 guard


I see a lot of Amare in Obi. Hope that he continues to rise!
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7/5/2022  11:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/5/2022  11:15 AM
Randle playing well in the beginning of the season to show he recaptured his form will likely lead to him being traded. Need to get his value up first.

Obi is not a boat rocker, wave maker. He'll get his turn to shine. In the end, if he plays well he can get where he wants...

It's on Obi to make it clear that he's now the man at the 4...make it impossible for NYK to keep his minutes reduced to accommodate Randle's burn.

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7/5/2022  11:36 AM
I don't think so. I think both players are very sure of themselves and I think they welcome the competition.
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7/5/2022  11:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/5/2022  11:56 AM
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Knicks couldve went more in their direction but chose not to--are they upset?

We did go more in their direction, we got rid of Burks and Noel and got younger. We got them a point guard who will hopefully make their life a lot easier. The press release specifically said we're building via our youth. Plus Kris from KFS said he was told that Randle got told if he's back with the team this season, it's on the terms of having a reduced role. Aside from jettison Randle, what more could they have done? (still holding out for that. Still a possibility we ditch Fournier).

Do not underestimate the importance of having a viable PG for developing young players- it's crucial.

Unfortunately for Obi, the PR team aint coaching the Knicks. As long as Thibs is stalking the sidelines, its difficult for me to believe that Randle will have a reduced role or minutes until I see it. How many times did we see Randle give a piss poor effort in a particular game and still played 36 mins?

For those that are suggesting that we give Randle a second chance ( actually, a 3rd chance as people conviently forget he was not very good his 1st year either), keep in mind, while Randle ia allowed to rehab his image and game, Obi will be playing 15 mins per for the 3rd consecutive year. He will be eligible for an extension next summer and we will still have no idea if Obi can be a legit starter in this league.

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7/5/2022  12:10 PM
Uptown wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Knicks couldve went more in their direction but chose not to--are they upset?

We did go more in their direction, we got rid of Burks and Noel and got younger. We got them a point guard who will hopefully make their life a lot easier. The press release specifically said we're building via our youth. Plus Kris from KFS said he was told that Randle got told if he's back with the team this season, it's on the terms of having a reduced role. Aside from jettison Randle, what more could they have done? (still holding out for that. Still a possibility we ditch Fournier).

Do not underestimate the importance of having a viable PG for developing young players- it's crucial.

Unfortunately for Obi, the PR team aint coaching the Knicks. As long as Thibs is stalking the sidelines, its difficult for me to believe that Randle will have a reduced role or minutes until I see it. How many times did we see Randle give a piss poor effort in a particular game and still played 36 mins?

For those that are suggesting that we give Randle a second chance ( actually, a 3rd chance as people conviently forget he was not very good his 1st year either), keep in mind, while Randle ia allowed to rehab his image and game, Obi will be playing 15 mins per for the 3rd consecutive year. He will be eligible for an extension next summer and we will still have no idea if Obi can be a legit starter in this league.

And we forget he was all NBA? Like it was some fluke? If obi is good he'll take minutes or get traded. Obi really showed some something really good his last 5 games. I suspect he might be a trade chip which is not a bad thing unless one is totally rancid on Randle and his outlook.
It all gets sorted on by opening day and the games after that. Perhaps the whole Dallas with Randle and the FO watching brunson was........
"See that, can you hit those open shots? or, move the ball?".......
Lets be real also, Knicks have had good stretches and Randle has moved the ball too.
He got his money settled so we think he is petty jealous about RJ success? Overly senstive? bothered by injuries and not handing it well?
He like an retired engineer who is too old and set in his ways?

As for OBI, He has to continue to show that he can create his own shot and be reliable outside. If so, he can be traded to a team that will embrace that and pay him. Or we trade Randle. We there yet?
Maybe, maybe not.

I like that OBI is knocking on the door! I like that Randle cares and pushes back. Personally I though he was thru it until his injury came up and his play was better.
The early chemistry with EF was problematic was one issue also.

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7/6/2022  2:46 PM
will OP be available to give Obi and IQ hugs?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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7/6/2022  5:26 PM
fishmike wrote:will OP be available to give Obi and IQ hugs?

At some point it comes to OBI is playing great and if they don't move randle he asks for a trade.
But thats whats best for the team.
Not sure whose more sensitive, Jules who pushed back or the fans who were not even there to hear it? (you'd have had to be in the first few rows BTW, and all players talk.......)

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7/7/2022  2:49 AM
Moonangie wrote:Randle playing well in the beginning of the season to show he recaptured his form will likely lead to him being traded. Need to get his value up first.

Obi is not a boat rocker, wave maker. He'll get his turn to shine. In the end, if he plays well he can get where he wants...

It's on Obi to make it clear that he's now the man at the 4...make it impossible for NYK to keep his minutes reduced to accommodate Randle's burn.

The Knicks FO and Thibs has the Knicks media & advertising focus on boosting up Randle & Barrett & Brunson next season.
Obi Toppin needed playing time last season to groom his raw talents/skills around NBA opponents.
Coach Thibs gets another grade F season for Obi Toppin and Quickley's development.
Adding Brunson to the Knicks roster means the Knicks will have two Quickley type players in the rotation.

will Obi Toppin and Quickley be upset w this offseason?

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