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6/25/2022  12:20 AM
The people who don't support this as a woman's decision also have to accept the fact that more women will try to find a work around by either trying for an at home abortion or abandoning the baby. Let's not pretend this doesn't happen already but the incidence will certainly increase. The world is a messed up place. If legislating dangerous behavior worked there wouldn't be any drug overdoses.

I don't get the "abortion is murder" argument. Does anyone think that people are singing on the way in and out of the clinic? People with money will travel to other states or countries. Poor people will kill some of their infants.

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6/25/2022  12:22 AM
CashMoney wrote:I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

It is insane. What is more insane is that the SC ruled knowing full well that states will enact more laws like this. They are coming. There is very little in the way of "rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail" in some of the red states and it is getting worse.

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6/25/2022  12:33 AM
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martin wrote:This is reality in one state. Today.

I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

That’s bull**** because they just took away the states right to regulate gun licenses…

You can’t waive this away as a state issue the Supreme Court is a radical body and they are making choices based on their politics with no legal standing.

Negative sir. New York can no longer dictate the number of licenses provided to citizens who should have never been denied the right to carry a firearm. The denial was found to be unconstitutional.

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6/25/2022  12:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  12:49 AM
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CashMoney wrote:I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

It is insane. What is more insane is that the SC ruled knowing full well that states will enact more laws like this. They are coming. There is very little in the way of "rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail" in some of the red states and it is getting worse.

The DNC has done such a good job strangling progressives that fascists are the only ones speaking to the masses. Spineless Republicans just sat with their fingers crossed as Trump plotted a coup, with his incompetence being the only thing that saved democracy, at least for 4 years. Now that the SC is flexing their muscles on overturning a 50 year old right, it's pretty clear what happens when you let a Gerontocracy rule the nation.

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6/25/2022  12:45 AM
martin wrote:
CashMoney wrote:I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

It is insane. What is more insane is that the SC ruled knowing full well that states will enact more laws like this. They are coming. There is very little in the way of "rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail" in some of the red states and it is getting worse.

It hasn't been a complete day as of yet and people are losing their minds but I have faith in the system.

States will enact laws that will be challenged within that state and possibly back to the SC.

Personal feeling aside it's a historic event.

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6/25/2022  12:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  12:50 AM
CashMoney wrote:
wargames wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
martin wrote:This is reality in one state. Today.

I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

That’s bull**** because they just took away the states right to regulate gun licenses…

You can’t waive this away as a state issue the Supreme Court is a radical body and they are making choices based on their politics with no legal standing.

Negative sir. New York can no longer dictate the number of licenses provided to citizens who should have never been denied the right to carry a firearm. The denial was found to be unconstitutional.

Bull****…. Also don’t call me Sir. It makes it seem like you’re trying to be reasonable when your argument is anything but.

It’s all the same issue regarding state rights. States are going to dictate the number of abortions that take place within them. Also don’t say “well the constitution” because the constitution isn’t sacred and that same argument was used to support other monstrous policies like slavery and segregation for most of this countries existence.

There is no justification for this change besides they wanted to do it. In literally a two day span this particular court has lost any legal justification for its decision making besides “we have power” which is fantastic because it’s the minority dictating terms on the majority.If they were a states right court they would have allowed NY to continue to dictate gun licenses within its borders. At least then what they did today could have been justified as them being a court that was supportive of states rights as you like to say.

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6/25/2022  3:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  3:17 AM
wargames wrote:I’m liberal and I’m catholic. I am getting messages on both sides of this debate, and I keep thinking… this is only going to get worst. The SC has been radicalized and eventually everyone is going to get screwed.

These same idiot are allowing concealed gun licenses in NYC and attacked Miranda rights. I think in the end we’re going to see some sort of term limit placed on them. Idk… conservatives always like to act tough like Jan 6, but the real noise came earlier during the Floyd protests. Making liberals mad doesn’t help conservatives it just seems like they forgot that.

The role of the Supreme Court is to uphold the Constitution. That is what it has been doing. The fact is: gun rights are in the Constitution, and abortion rights are not. If you do not like that -- change the Constitution, do not blame the Supreme Court.

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6/25/2022  3:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  3:39 AM
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SupremeCommander wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:great day for America....yall are murderers...plain n simple

I always thought you were a few cards short.. I always wondered how the product of incest would feel during discussion

you can try to justify murder all u want....the simple to the most extreme....im happy i wasnt aborted

Agree with you dwiley20

Many on this thread need go see " Unplanned " I wrote review for one of our word Catholic ministries, cried first 5 min. Of movie flick. Watching small innocent unborn fetus trying to swim around inside woman system. ALL until a Large Pro sports Gatorade tank & fetus pump sucked it out like melted tomato juice filling up Gatorade tank.

Yep I wrote article on Movie & cried in my editorial.
Peoples hurt people (even fetus) not science not laws but peoples!
And ya know what?? If Americans or any other countries going to F$%$K
AND SCREW EVERY ONE'S They want & produce babies & cant figure out bleeping contraceptives uses then blank%$$ the human side of decisions killing the unborns.

Shame on this country for the rapes, the uncles & dark sheep people banging anything they want & want. Sleeping with their own family relatives to justify killing fetus for rights. RIGHTS?.,Whom?
Agencies exist for Adopting unwanted accidents. Even by family sleeping around! Disgusting!
AND GOOD GOD Is and has WATCHED it all...when Earth was created

Little fetus avoiding death is NO accident.
NO different than an intruder breaking into yo' freaking home & trying to commit thefts & murder. Then your fighting for your LIFE. same as fetus.

CAUSE YOU HAVE NO FLIPPING RIGHT TO COMMIT WHAT GOD'S CREATED IN NEW LIFE BORN!

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6/25/2022  4:41 AM
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CashMoney wrote:
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CashMoney wrote:I know this is a touchy subject but IMO abortion is and always has been murder.

Believe it or not, a woman becoming pregnant is not the easiest of occurrences. Timing is paramount in order to conceive and perhaps it will make people more responsible for their actions.

I've knocked up one woman in my life and it was on purpose. We planned on having our child and it took months of timing and trying in order to get the job done. It's not by some miracle that I impregnated my wife once and only once in 20 years of marriage. If anyone would like to be a smartass my sex life is great and I get laid whenever I want.

My wife had a friend who had 4 abortions after becoming pregnant by the same guy. A logical person would have smartened up after the 1st time but nope. They kept doing what they did knowing what could happen but it was okay because sex was better without precaution.

A woman is a carrier of life and that is a fact. Being a woman comes with that responsibility.

It's not the easiest thing in the world to conceive but it is easy to act reckless and 'get rid' of aka murder a child.

I'm happy to have a rational discussion on this topic if anyone would like to have a rational discussion.

When do you feel life begins? Take religion out of it. When do you believe a fetus has consciousness. I don't believe life starts in the first trimester and the science really hasn't been there to convince me otherwise. A woman should have "the choice" of whether she wants to be a carrier of life. It's not up to me, or you whoever to legislate that.

I'm not religious at all and I believe life begins at fertilization.

I give no thought to when a fetus has consciousness because consciousness is a state in which the unborn will eventually arrive.

Regardless of when the fetus arrives at consciousness, it doesn't change that consciousness will be achieved if termination doesn't occur.

A woman is a carrier of life and it's not by choice because it's biological.

When engaging in sexual intercourse the possibility exists that fertilization can occur. An unwanted/unexpected pregnancy doesn't change the fact that the pregnancy occurred because the possibility always existed although unlikely and not anticipated. The choice was made to engage in sexual intercourse.

If I were to choose to leave my home tonight and drive around drunk I may not expect to get pulled over and arrested. If I choose to drive drunk, get pulled over, and arrested I won't be able to erase my decision. I would need to live with the consequences of my action.

A best-case scenario is that I don't get pulled over and arrive home safely. A worst-case scenario is that I kill someone because of my decision but in either scenario, I cannot erase the decision I made or the outcome.

Why should a woman be given "the choice" to erase a consequence of her action especially when the choice results in eliminating life?


When consciousness arrives? That's pretty broad. Under that definition, that means I'm committing mass murder every night I have the energy and wherewithall to last 5 minutes on pornhub. Am I committing murder every time I use a rubber or decide to go no fap? Is a woman committing a murder when she uses an IUD?I agree, it'd be nice if more people to personal responsibility. It also be nice if people, me included, spent less time arguing over maddening front office moves made by a NY basketball front office and more time forging interpersonal relationships with there neighbors, even if most of them are clueless and spend too much time minding other people's business. But I'm not the arbiter of moral guidelines. And I sure as heck don't have the right to dictate what people to do their bodies based on a concept.

Yeah, can you imagine the uproar if women decided that sperm were human lives and so banned whacking off or any form of ejeculation outside of baby making, using the justification "that's just where I think life begins- your murdering every time you crack one off!"?

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6/25/2022  7:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  7:01 AM
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Yeah, can you imagine the uproar if women decided that sperm were human lives and so banned whacking off or any form of ejeculation outside of baby making, using the justification "that's just where I think life begins- your murdering every time you crack one off!"?

Given that there are millions of sperm in a single ejaculate, whacking off would not be just murder, but mass genocide, exceeding the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot combined.

I honestly struggle with the concept of life beginning at conception. There is no way a fetus in the early stages of development is a distinct living creature, it is just a clot of unconscious organic matter, same as the mother's kidney or spleen. Life may well be considered to form before birth, but no way it forms right at conception. And I am a deeply religious man.

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6/25/2022  7:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  7:40 AM
I would say I live in a liberal area, not but there are plenty of conservatives who are vocal. A pocket of which are my friends

They are all loud about the evils of abortion. Well, all but one. One used to, but his wife birthed a child whose skull was fused together. So the girls brain would grow, but not her brain, and the child would have died and endured pain. They made that painful decision we’re discussing. The child was still birthed the tough, and the parents had a pretend monument like they had what they wanted. Took pictures etc. they still talk about their child

His conservative friends still tail against abortion. He has to yell at them to STFU or re-argue. It's like where the **** is you empathy? I also am struck that someone that endured something so painful and in my opinion DID NOTHING WRONG constantly has to justify and litigate sign his political party. He gets no empathy or support—and tolerates it. It baffles me

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6/25/2022  7:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  7:50 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:great day for America....yall are murderers...plain n simple

I always thought you were a few cards short.. I always wondered how the product of incest would feel during discussion

you can try to justify murder all u want....the simple to the most extreme....im happy i wasnt aborted

Agree with you dwiley20

Many on this thread need go see " Unplanned " I wrote review for one of our word Catholic ministries, cried first 5 min. Of movie flick. Watching small innocent unborn fetus trying to swim around inside woman system. ALL until a Large Pro sports Gatorade tank & fetus pump sucked it out like melted tomato juice filling up Gatorade tank.

Yep I wrote article on Movie & cried in my editorial.
Peoples hurt people (even fetus) not science not laws but peoples!
And ya know what?? If Americans or any other countries going to F$%$K
AND SCREW EVERY ONE'S They want & produce babies & cant figure out bleeping contraceptives uses then blank%$$ the human side of decisions killing the unborns.

Shame on this country for the rapes, the uncles & dark sheep people banging anything they want & want. Sleeping with their own family relatives to justify killing fetus for rights. RIGHTS?.,Whom?
Agencies exist for Adopting unwanted accidents. Even by family sleeping around! Disgusting!
AND GOOD GOD Is and has WATCHED it all...when Earth was created

Little fetus avoiding death is NO accident.
NO different than an intruder breaking into yo' freaking home & trying to commit thefts & murder. Then your fighting for your LIFE. same as fetus.

CAUSE YOU HAVE NO FLIPPING RIGHT TO COMMIT WHAT GOD'S CREATED IN NEW LIFE BORN!

I said my peace best I 😌 can explain it
THINK ABOUT IT😶

This disgusts me. You think that you walk with God with this… maybe you and your ilk should focus on the fact that organized religion in the country protects the rights of serial child abusers and harbors child rapists.

If anti abortion was about the children of God you and your people would have extracted that societal cancer from your churches.

You are propagating a narrow, exclusive world view on everyone. Shame on you and your kind for perpetuating the trauma delivered to children and doing not a God dammed thing about it. And shame on you for judging women from a great height without hearing them testify. I thought church men had the kind of empathy you are devoid of

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6/25/2022  8:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  8:54 AM
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wargames wrote:I’m liberal and I’m catholic. I am getting messages on both sides of this debate, and I keep thinking… this is only going to get worst. The SC has been radicalized and eventually everyone is going to get screwed.

These same idiot are allowing concealed gun licenses in NYC and attacked Miranda rights. I think in the end we’re going to see some sort of term limit placed on them. Idk… conservatives always like to act tough like Jan 6, but the real noise came earlier during the Floyd protests. Making liberals mad doesn’t help conservatives it just seems like they forgot that.

The role of the Supreme Court is to uphold the Constitution. That is what it has been doing. The fact is: gun rights are in the Constitution, and abortion rights are not. If you do not like that -- change the Constitution, do not blame the Supreme Court.

The Court does not uphold the constitution they interpret it. That’s the difference between Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown vs. Board of Ed. An interpretation.

https://constitutioncenter.org/amp/blog/a-short-list-of-overturned-supreme-court-landmark-decisions

These are not apolitical acts though historically the SC has tried to justify their decision based on “trends” that both the public and scholars can see like state rights or support of businesses or support of federal authority or even a hard interpretation of the constitution.

This particular court are just radical conservatives.

When Clarence Thomas can write in his decision “let’s go after gay marriage next” you know what your dealing with. For example a 101 year rule that the court felt best to ignore was overturned a month after a psycho killed children in a school with the cops right outside his door. That isn’t upholding the constitution, that is being an activist court imposing your political views on the majority. The SC rarely does that because whenever they have… it leads to chaos and social unrest.

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6/25/2022  8:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  8:59 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:great day for America....yall are murderers...plain n simple

I always thought you were a few cards short.. I always wondered how the product of incest would feel during discussion

you can try to justify murder all u want....the simple to the most extreme....im happy i wasnt aborted

Agree with you dwiley20

Many on this thread need go see " Unplanned " I wrote review for one of our word Catholic ministries, cried first 5 min. Of movie flick. Watching small innocent unborn fetus trying to swim around inside woman system. ALL until a Large Pro sports Gatorade tank & fetus pump sucked it out like melted tomato juice filling up Gatorade tank.

Yep I wrote article on Movie & cried in my editorial.
Peoples hurt people (even fetus) not science not laws but peoples!
And ya know what?? If Americans or any other countries going to F$%$K
AND SCREW EVERY ONE'S They want & produce babies & cant figure out bleeping contraceptives uses then blank%$$ the human side of decisions killing the unborns.

Shame on this country for the rapes, the uncles & dark sheep people banging anything they want & want. Sleeping with their own family relatives to justify killing fetus for rights. RIGHTS?.,Whom?
Agencies exist for Adopting unwanted accidents. Even by family sleeping around! Disgusting!
AND GOOD GOD Is and has WATCHED it all...when Earth was created

Little fetus avoiding death is NO accident.
NO different than an intruder breaking into yo' freaking home & trying to commit thefts & murder. Then your fighting for your LIFE. same as fetus.

CAUSE YOU HAVE NO FLIPPING RIGHT TO COMMIT WHAT GOD'S CREATED IN NEW LIFE BORN!

I said my peace best I 😌 can explain it
THINK ABOUT IT😶

I saw that movie and it was fake

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/arts/film/reviews/article-anti-abortion-film-unplanned-is-a-disgusting-piece-of-propaganda-that/

When I was in Catholic high school they forced me to watch another movie of an abortion… I found out it was fake too…

Next your going to say 9/11 was an inside job because you saw the documentary loose change and Bush blew up the towers.

Also please don’t bring God into this. If God was alive he would be a left wing social worker who got into the field after medical school and offered free back door procedures to the poor. The people making this rule are as far from that and the Grace of God as any other dictator.

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6/25/2022  9:01 AM
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6/25/2022  9:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2022  9:30 AM
People who should be excluded from deciding on this issue:

1) Men
2) Women beyond their child bearing years
3) Married women

I find it interesting how people who will either never need to make this decision and people who are likely to have a system of support if they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy, they have so much to say when imposing their beliefs on a small population of women who are confronted with having to actually deal with whether or not to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.

When people site god and religion for their anti-abortion stance, I always wonder why they do not equally advocate for outlawing divorce? Religiously it's just as frowned upon as abortion. Could it be that since half of marriages end in divorce more people are comfortable overlooking that sin since there's a strong chance it may directly affect them? But since abortion or gay rights only affects a small percentage of the population, those are the popular sins to focus on.

Again, I have no problem with people having their beliefs and living their life based on their beliefs. But when it comes to imposing on others, it needs to be based on facts, not your beliefs or religion. And referring to someone who has an abortion with the same terminology as a gang member who shoots someone in the head on the streets is very inappropriate.

Food for thought.

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6/25/2022  9:37 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Yeah, can you imagine the uproar if women decided that sperm were human lives and so banned whacking off or any form of ejeculation outside of baby making, using the justification "that's just where I think life begins- your murdering every time you crack one off!"?

Given that there are millions of sperm in a single ejaculate, whacking off would not be just murder, but mass genocide, exceeding the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot combined.

I honestly struggle with the concept of life beginning at conception. There is no way a fetus in the early stages of development is a distinct living creature, it is just a clot of unconscious organic matter, same as the mother's kidney or spleen. Life may well be considered to form before birth, but no way it forms right at conception. And I am a deeply religious man.

I hate the whacking-off argument because it's illogical. Every time a guy doesn't pull out his failure to do so does not result in pregnancy 100% of the time.

Interesting you used the term "early stages of development" and then used organic matter. If the organic matter is allowed to develop the result is life. However, purposely terminating the development is okay.

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6/25/2022  10:01 AM
Welpee wrote:People who should be excluded from deciding on this issue:

1) Men
2) Women beyond their child bearing years
3) Married women

I find it interesting how people who will either never need to make this decision and people who are likely to have a system of support if they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy, they have so much to say when imposing their beliefs on a small population of women who are confronted with having to actually deal with whether or not to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.

When people site god and religion for their anti-abortion stance, I always wonder why they do not equally advocate for outlawing divorce? Religiously it's just as frowned upon as abortion. Could it be that since half of marriages end in divorce more people are comfortable overlooking that sin since there's a strong chance it may directly affect them? But since abortion or gay rights only affects a small percentage of the population, those are the popular sins to focus on.

Again, I have no problem with people having their beliefs and living their life based on their beliefs. But when it comes to imposing on others, it needs to be based on facts, not your beliefs or religion. And referring to someone who has an abortion with the same terminology as a gang member who shoots someone in the head on the streets is very inappropriate.

Food for thought.

In 2019 the were 629,898 reported legal abortions to the CDC but states such as California, New Hampshire, and Maryland doesn't report to the CDC because it's voluntary. The World Health Organization estimates abortions in the US to be around 886,000. 629,898 is not a small number and for context, that's a tad below the entire population of Detroit and more than the populations of cities such as Baltimore, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Atlanta. The number of abortions performed since 1973 is equivalent to the Holocaust happening 10 times.

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6/25/2022  10:37 AM
CashMoney wrote:
Welpee wrote:People who should be excluded from deciding on this issue:

1) Men
2) Women beyond their child bearing years
3) Married women

I find it interesting how people who will either never need to make this decision and people who are likely to have a system of support if they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy, they have so much to say when imposing their beliefs on a small population of women who are confronted with having to actually deal with whether or not to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.

When people site god and religion for their anti-abortion stance, I always wonder why they do not equally advocate for outlawing divorce? Religiously it's just as frowned upon as abortion. Could it be that since half of marriages end in divorce more people are comfortable overlooking that sin since there's a strong chance it may directly affect them? But since abortion or gay rights only affects a small percentage of the population, those are the popular sins to focus on.

Again, I have no problem with people having their beliefs and living their life based on their beliefs. But when it comes to imposing on others, it needs to be based on facts, not your beliefs or religion. And referring to someone who has an abortion with the same terminology as a gang member who shoots someone in the head on the streets is very inappropriate.

Food for thought.

In 2019 the were 629,898 reported legal abortions to the CDC but states such as California, New Hampshire, and Maryland doesn't report to the CDC because it's voluntary. The World Health Organization estimates abortions in the US to be around 886,000. 629,898 is not a small number and for context, that's a tad below the entire population of Detroit and more than the populations of cities such as Baltimore, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Atlanta. The number of abortions performed since 1973 is equivalent to the Holocaust happening 10 times.



Again, I get how framing things for sensationalism and shock value can be an effective way of advancing the agenda. Here are the straight facts minus injecting P.R. language. Let's go with your number: 629,898 legal abortions, there are almost 260 million adults in the U.S. over 18 years old. That's around 0.24% of the adult population.
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6/25/2022  10:55 AM
Welpee wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Welpee wrote:People who should be excluded from deciding on this issue:

1) Men
2) Women beyond their child bearing years
3) Married women

I find it interesting how people who will either never need to make this decision and people who are likely to have a system of support if they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy, they have so much to say when imposing their beliefs on a small population of women who are confronted with having to actually deal with whether or not to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.

When people site god and religion for their anti-abortion stance, I always wonder why they do not equally advocate for outlawing divorce? Religiously it's just as frowned upon as abortion. Could it be that since half of marriages end in divorce more people are comfortable overlooking that sin since there's a strong chance it may directly affect them? But since abortion or gay rights only affects a small percentage of the population, those are the popular sins to focus on.

Again, I have no problem with people having their beliefs and living their life based on their beliefs. But when it comes to imposing on others, it needs to be based on facts, not your beliefs or religion. And referring to someone who has an abortion with the same terminology as a gang member who shoots someone in the head on the streets is very inappropriate.

Food for thought.

In 2019 the were 629,898 reported legal abortions to the CDC but states such as California, New Hampshire, and Maryland doesn't report to the CDC because it's voluntary. The World Health Organization estimates abortions in the US to be around 886,000. 629,898 is not a small number and for context, that's a tad below the entire population of Detroit and more than the populations of cities such as Baltimore, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Atlanta. The number of abortions performed since 1973 is equivalent to the Holocaust happening 10 times.


Again, I get how framing things for sensationalism and shock value can be an effective way of advancing the agenda. Here are the straight facts minus injecting P.R. language. Let's go with your number: 629,898 legal abortions, there are almost 260 million adults in the U.S. over 18 years old. That's around 0.24% of the adult population.

Thanks for proving my point. That's around .24% of the US population on a YEARLY basis. Multiply by x number of years and the percentages increase. Since when is using fact P.R. language?

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