I don't get the "abortion is murder" argument. Does anyone think that people are singing on the way in and out of the clinic? People with money will travel to other states or countries. Poor people will kill some of their infants.

CashMoney wrote:I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

It is insane. What is more insane is that the SC ruled knowing full well that states will enact more laws like this. They are coming. There is very little in the way of "rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail" in some of the red states and it is getting worse.

martin wrote:

CashMoney wrote:I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

It is insane. What is more insane is that the SC ruled knowing full well that states will enact more laws like this. They are coming. There is very little in the way of "rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail" in some of the red states and it is getting worse.

The DNC has done such a good job strangling progressives that fascists are the only ones speaking to the masses. Spineless Republicans just sat with their fingers crossed as Trump plotted a coup, with his incompetence being the only thing that saved democracy, at least for 4 years. Now that the SC is flexing their muscles on overturning a 50 year old right, it's pretty clear what happens when you let a Gerontocracy rule the nation.

CashMoney wrote:

wargames wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

martin wrote:This is reality in one state. Today.

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I personally think it's insane but it's a state issue and would like to think that rational and logical thinking/reasoning will prevail.

That’s bull**** because they just took away the states right to regulate gun licenses…

You can’t waive this away as a state issue the Supreme Court is a radical body and they are making choices based on their politics with no legal standing.

Negative sir. New York can no longer dictate the number of licenses provided to citizens who should have never been denied the right to carry a firearm. The denial was found to be unconstitutional.

Bull****…. Also don’t call me Sir. It makes it seem like you’re trying to be reasonable when your argument is anything but.

It’s all the same issue regarding state rights. States are going to dictate the number of abortions that take place within them. Also don’t say “well the constitution” because the constitution isn’t sacred and that same argument was used to support other monstrous policies like slavery and segregation for most of this countries existence.

There is no justification for this change besides they wanted to do it. In literally a two day span this particular court has lost any legal justification for its decision making besides “we have power” which is fantastic because it’s the minority dictating terms on the majority.If they were a states right court they would have allowed NY to continue to dictate gun licenses within its borders. At least then what they did today could have been justified as them being a court that was supportive of states rights as you like to say.

dwiley20 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:great day for America....yall are murderers...plain n simple

I always thought you were a few cards short.. I always wondered how the product of incest would feel during discussion

you can try to justify murder all u want....the simple to the most extreme....im happy i wasnt aborted

Agree with you dwiley20

Many on this thread need go see " Unplanned " I wrote review for one of our word Catholic ministries, cried first 5 min. Of movie flick. Watching small innocent unborn fetus trying to swim around inside woman system. ALL until a Large Pro sports Gatorade tank & fetus pump sucked it out like melted tomato juice filling up Gatorade tank.

Yep I wrote article on Movie & cried in my editorial.
Peoples hurt people (even fetus) not science not laws but peoples!
And ya know what?? If Americans or any other countries going to F$%$K
AND SCREW EVERY ONE'S They want & produce babies & cant figure out bleeping contraceptives uses then blank%$$ the human side of decisions killing the unborns.

Shame on this country for the rapes, the uncles & dark sheep people banging anything they want & want. Sleeping with their own family relatives to justify killing fetus for rights. RIGHTS?.,Whom?
Agencies exist for Adopting unwanted accidents. Even by family sleeping around! Disgusting!
AND GOOD GOD Is and has WATCHED it all...when Earth was created

Little fetus avoiding death is NO accident.
NO different than an intruder breaking into yo' freaking home & trying to commit thefts & murder. Then your fighting for your LIFE. same as fetus.

CAUSE YOU HAVE NO FLIPPING RIGHT TO COMMIT WHAT GOD'S CREATED IN NEW LIFE BORN!

I said my peace best I 😌 can explain it
THINK ABOUT IT😶

smackeddog wrote:
Yeah, can you imagine the uproar if women decided that sperm were human lives and so banned whacking off or any form of ejeculation outside of baby making, using the justification "that's just where I think life begins- your murdering every time you crack one off!"?

Given that there are millions of sperm in a single ejaculate, whacking off would not be just murder, but mass genocide, exceeding the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot combined.

I honestly struggle with the concept of life beginning at conception. There is no way a fetus in the early stages of development is a distinct living creature, it is just a clot of unconscious organic matter, same as the mother's kidney or spleen. Life may well be considered to form before birth, but no way it forms right at conception. And I am a deeply religious man.

DJMUSIC wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:great day for America....yall are murderers...plain n simple

I always thought you were a few cards short.. I always wondered how the product of incest would feel during discussion

you can try to justify murder all u want....the simple to the most extreme....im happy i wasnt aborted

Agree with you dwiley20

Many on this thread need go see " Unplanned " I wrote review for one of our word Catholic ministries, cried first 5 min. Of movie flick. Watching small innocent unborn fetus trying to swim around inside woman system. ALL until a Large Pro sports Gatorade tank & fetus pump sucked it out like melted tomato juice filling up Gatorade tank.

Yep I wrote article on Movie & cried in my editorial.
Peoples hurt people (even fetus) not science not laws but peoples!
And ya know what?? If Americans or any other countries going to F$%$K
AND SCREW EVERY ONE'S They want & produce babies & cant figure out bleeping contraceptives uses then blank%$$ the human side of decisions killing the unborns.

Shame on this country for the rapes, the uncles & dark sheep people banging anything they want & want. Sleeping with their own family relatives to justify killing fetus for rights. RIGHTS?.,Whom?
Agencies exist for Adopting unwanted accidents. Even by family sleeping around! Disgusting!
AND GOOD GOD Is and has WATCHED it all...when Earth was created

Little fetus avoiding death is NO accident.
NO different than an intruder breaking into yo' freaking home & trying to commit thefts & murder. Then your fighting for your LIFE. same as fetus.

CAUSE YOU HAVE NO FLIPPING RIGHT TO COMMIT WHAT GOD'S CREATED IN NEW LIFE BORN!

I said my peace best I 😌 can explain it
THINK ABOUT IT😶

This disgusts me. You think that you walk with God with this… maybe you and your ilk should focus on the fact that organized religion in the country protects the rights of serial child abusers and harbors child rapists.

If anti abortion was about the children of God you and your people would have extracted that societal cancer from your churches.

You are propagating a narrow, exclusive world view on everyone. Shame on you and your kind for perpetuating the trauma delivered to children and doing not a God dammed thing about it. And shame on you for judging women from a great height without hearing them testify. I thought church men had the kind of empathy you are devoid of

DJMUSIC wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

dwiley20 wrote:great day for America....yall are murderers...plain n simple

I always thought you were a few cards short.. I always wondered how the product of incest would feel during discussion

you can try to justify murder all u want....the simple to the most extreme....im happy i wasnt aborted

Agree with you dwiley20

Many on this thread need go see " Unplanned " I wrote review for one of our word Catholic ministries, cried first 5 min. Of movie flick. Watching small innocent unborn fetus trying to swim around inside woman system. ALL until a Large Pro sports Gatorade tank & fetus pump sucked it out like melted tomato juice filling up Gatorade tank.

Yep I wrote article on Movie & cried in my editorial.
Peoples hurt people (even fetus) not science not laws but peoples!
And ya know what?? If Americans or any other countries going to F$%$K
AND SCREW EVERY ONE'S They want & produce babies & cant figure out bleeping contraceptives uses then blank%$$ the human side of decisions killing the unborns.

Shame on this country for the rapes, the uncles & dark sheep people banging anything they want & want. Sleeping with their own family relatives to justify killing fetus for rights. RIGHTS?.,Whom?
Agencies exist for Adopting unwanted accidents. Even by family sleeping around! Disgusting!
AND GOOD GOD Is and has WATCHED it all...when Earth was created

Little fetus avoiding death is NO accident.
NO different than an intruder breaking into yo' freaking home & trying to commit thefts & murder. Then your fighting for your LIFE. same as fetus.

CAUSE YOU HAVE NO FLIPPING RIGHT TO COMMIT WHAT GOD'S CREATED IN NEW LIFE BORN!

I said my peace best I 😌 can explain it
THINK ABOUT IT😶

I saw that movie and it was fake

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/arts/film/reviews/article-anti-abortion-film-unplanned-is-a-disgusting-piece-of-propaganda-that/

When I was in Catholic high school they forced me to watch another movie of an abortion… I found out it was fake too…

Next your going to say 9/11 was an inside job because you saw the documentary loose change and Bush blew up the towers.

Also please don’t bring God into this. If God was alive he would be a left wing social worker who got into the field after medical school and offered free back door procedures to the poor. The people making this rule are as far from that and the Grace of God as any other dictator.

1) Men
2) Women beyond their child bearing years
3) Married women

I find it interesting how people who will either never need to make this decision and people who are likely to have a system of support if they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy, they have so much to say when imposing their beliefs on a small population of women who are confronted with having to actually deal with whether or not to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.

When people site god and religion for their anti-abortion stance, I always wonder why they do not equally advocate for outlawing divorce? Religiously it's just as frowned upon as abortion. Could it be that since half of marriages end in divorce more people are comfortable overlooking that sin since there's a strong chance it may directly affect them? But since abortion or gay rights only affects a small percentage of the population, those are the popular sins to focus on.

Again, I have no problem with people having their beliefs and living their life based on their beliefs. But when it comes to imposing on others, it needs to be based on facts, not your beliefs or religion. And referring to someone who has an abortion with the same terminology as a gang member who shoots someone in the head on the streets is very inappropriate.

Food for thought.

Welpee wrote:People who should be excluded from deciding on this issue:

1) Men
2) Women beyond their child bearing years
3) Married women

I find it interesting how people who will either never need to make this decision and people who are likely to have a system of support if they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy, they have so much to say when imposing their beliefs on a small population of women who are confronted with having to actually deal with whether or not to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.

When people site god and religion for their anti-abortion stance, I always wonder why they do not equally advocate for outlawing divorce? Religiously it's just as frowned upon as abortion. Could it be that since half of marriages end in divorce more people are comfortable overlooking that sin since there's a strong chance it may directly affect them? But since abortion or gay rights only affects a small percentage of the population, those are the popular sins to focus on.

Again, I have no problem with people having their beliefs and living their life based on their beliefs. But when it comes to imposing on others, it needs to be based on facts, not your beliefs or religion. And referring to someone who has an abortion with the same terminology as a gang member who shoots someone in the head on the streets is very inappropriate.

Food for thought.

In 2019 the were 629,898 reported legal abortions to the CDC but states such as California, New Hampshire, and Maryland doesn't report to the CDC because it's voluntary. The World Health Organization estimates abortions in the US to be around 886,000. 629,898 is not a small number and for context, that's a tad below the entire population of Detroit and more than the populations of cities such as Baltimore, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Atlanta. The number of abortions performed since 1973 is equivalent to the Holocaust happening 10 times.

Welpee wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Welpee wrote:People who should be excluded from deciding on this issue:

1) Men
2) Women beyond their child bearing years
3) Married women

I find it interesting how people who will either never need to make this decision and people who are likely to have a system of support if they found themselves in an unwanted pregnancy, they have so much to say when imposing their beliefs on a small population of women who are confronted with having to actually deal with whether or not to carry out an unwanted pregnancy.

When people site god and religion for their anti-abortion stance, I always wonder why they do not equally advocate for outlawing divorce? Religiously it's just as frowned upon as abortion. Could it be that since half of marriages end in divorce more people are comfortable overlooking that sin since there's a strong chance it may directly affect them? But since abortion or gay rights only affects a small percentage of the population, those are the popular sins to focus on.

Again, I have no problem with people having their beliefs and living their life based on their beliefs. But when it comes to imposing on others, it needs to be based on facts, not your beliefs or religion. And referring to someone who has an abortion with the same terminology as a gang member who shoots someone in the head on the streets is very inappropriate.

Food for thought.

In 2019 the were 629,898 reported legal abortions to the CDC but states such as California, New Hampshire, and Maryland doesn't report to the CDC because it's voluntary. The World Health Organization estimates abortions in the US to be around 886,000. 629,898 is not a small number and for context, that's a tad below the entire population of Detroit and more than the populations of cities such as Baltimore, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Atlanta. The number of abortions performed since 1973 is equivalent to the Holocaust happening 10 times.

Again, I get how framing things for sensationalism and shock value can be an effective way of advancing the agenda. Here are the straight facts minus injecting P.R. language. Let's go with your number: 629,898 legal abortions, there are almost 260 million adults in the U.S. over 18 years old. That's around 0.24% of the adult population.

Thanks for proving my point. That's around .24% of the US population on a YEARLY basis. Multiply by x number of years and the percentages increase. Since when is using fact P.R. language?