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Uptown
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6/5/2022  9:15 PM

I'm hoping Bryant sticks around long enough to take over for Thibs but that may not be realistic as Bryant is and will be a hot commidity; especially in Utah.

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-johnnie-bryant-a-strong-candidate-to-replace-quin-snyder-in-utah/

The New York Knicks are in danger of losing another key member of Tom Thibodeau’s coaching staff.

Knicks’ associate head coach Johnnie Bryant should be a strong candidate for the Utah Jazz coaching vacancy following the departure of Quin Snyder.

Bryant has emerged as one of the initial candidates, according to The Athletic’s Shams Charania.

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6/5/2022  10:47 PM
Uptown wrote:
I'm hoping Bryant sticks around long enough to take over for Thibs but that may not be realistic as Bryant is and will be a hot commidity; especially in Utah.

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/knicks-johnnie-bryant-a-strong-candidate-to-replace-quin-snyder-in-utah/

The New York Knicks are in danger of losing another key member of Tom Thibodeau’s coaching staff.

Knicks’ associate head coach Johnnie Bryant should be a strong candidate for the Utah Jazz coaching vacancy following the departure of Quin Snyder.

Bryant has emerged as one of the initial candidates, according to The Athletic’s Shams Charania.

I’m hoping the same. He’s clearly the successor if he lasts long enough. Would be a huge loss.

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6/5/2022  11:28 PM
Johnny does not have head experience and we don’t know What Utah wants. Also the staff is under contract
Is it to make Donovan mitchell happy? What about Ainge and high profile minority owner Dwade? They might have a say?

it would be aloss, but its not like he Cannot be replaced and fact is that person might be even better?
But I’d prefer Johnny stay and grow what we got.

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6/6/2022  4:18 AM
Very telling that all three of the assistant coach hires Wes and Rose insisted on (woodson, Payne and now Bryant) all got recruited/promoted within a year (Payne and Bryant almost got poached during their first season), while all the Thibs ones haven’t been (have any of his AC’s ever been promoted/poached?). Good for Bryant, but for us it sucks, those three were really important developmentally and for our future. Now we just have Thib’s team.
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6/6/2022  4:21 AM
Nalod wrote:Johnny does not have head experience and we don’t know What Utah wants. Also the staff is under contract
Is it to make Donovan mitchell happy? What about Ainge and high profile minority owner Dwade? They might have a say?

it would be aloss, but its not like he Cannot be replaced and fact is that person might be even better?
But I’d prefer Johnny stay and grow what we got.

Of course JB will get the job- he was the lead assistant there, is very highly regarded, has ties there and is D-Mitch’s choice so it keeps him sweet too. If he wants it, he’ll get the job- pretty much guaranteed.

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6/6/2022  7:55 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:Johnny does not have head experience and we don’t know What Utah wants. Also the staff is under contract
Is it to make Donovan mitchell happy? What about Ainge and high profile minority owner Dwade? They might have a say?

it would be aloss, but its not like he Cannot be replaced and fact is that person might be even better?
But I’d prefer Johnny stay and grow what we got.

Of course JB will get the job- he was the lead assistant there, is very highly regarded, has ties there and is D-Mitch’s choice so it keeps him sweet too. If he wants it, he’ll get the job- pretty much guaranteed.

I was not aware he was the “associate head coach for Jazz” upon his depature from them. Many times teams can hire away an assistant as long as they are promoted via title. Also, he is not shown with that title, just as an assistant with the Jazz.
Does that mean they don’t hire him? Of course they will entertain him and Im sure the usual suspects of available coaches will surface. Donovan can and might have a voice but it also falls on him if it does not work. He has a long term contract and an owership group that seems to want him.
I suspect he has been doing good work with IQ and I’d hate to lose him.
If so are there other good development coaches out there either to hire or on our employment already that also do a good job.

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6/6/2022  8:23 AM
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:Johnny does not have head experience and we don’t know What Utah wants. Also the staff is under contract
Is it to make Donovan mitchell happy? What about Ainge and high profile minority owner Dwade? They might have a say?

it would be aloss, but its not like he Cannot be replaced and fact is that person might be even better?
But I’d prefer Johnny stay and grow what we got.

Of course JB will get the job- he was the lead assistant there, is very highly regarded, has ties there and is D-Mitch’s choice so it keeps him sweet too. If he wants it, he’ll get the job- pretty much guaranteed.

I was not aware he was the “associate head coach for Jazz” upon his depature from them. Many times teams can hire away an assistant as long as they are promoted via title. Also, he is not shown with that title, just as an assistant with the Jazz.
Does that mean they don’t hire him? Of course they will entertain him and Im sure the usual suspects of available coaches will surface. Donovan can and might have a voice but it also falls on him if it does not work. He has a long term contract and an owership group that seems to want him.
I suspect he has been doing good work with IQ and I’d hate to lose him.
If so are there other good development coaches out there either to hire or on our employment already that also do a good job.

Yep. That's the reality you face when you hire talented people. I wish Bryant luck wherever his future endeavors take him. There are other guys out there waiting for a shot if Bryant leaves.

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6/6/2022  1:55 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:Johnny does not have head experience and we don’t know What Utah wants. Also the staff is under contract
Is it to make Donovan mitchell happy? What about Ainge and high profile minority owner Dwade? They might have a say?

it would be aloss, but its not like he Cannot be replaced and fact is that person might be even better?
But I’d prefer Johnny stay and grow what we got.

Of course JB will get the job- he was the lead assistant there, is very highly regarded, has ties there and is D-Mitch’s choice so it keeps him sweet too. If he wants it, he’ll get the job- pretty much guaranteed.

I was not aware he was the “associate head coach for Jazz” upon his depature from them. Many times teams can hire away an assistant as long as they are promoted via title. Also, he is not shown with that title, just as an assistant with the Jazz.
Does that mean they don’t hire him? Of course they will entertain him and Im sure the usual suspects of available coaches will surface. Donovan can and might have a voice but it also falls on him if it does not work. He has a long term contract and an owership group that seems to want him.
I suspect he has been doing good work with IQ and I’d hate to lose him.
If so are there other good development coaches out there either to hire or on our employment already that also do a good job.

Yep. That's the reality you face when you hire talented people. I wish Bryant luck wherever his future endeavors take him. There are other guys out there waiting for a shot if Bryant leaves.

The lack of decent/imaginative replacements for Woody and Payne has me worried though, as did the hiring of Brunson (unless it was to entice Jalen)- it's like Wes and Rose have given up pushing Thibs and seeking out great assistants and are just letting Thibs pick his old, clapped out gang.

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6/6/2022  2:05 PM
Ah, we were a lottery team with them, we can be a lottery team without them.
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6/6/2022  3:12 PM
I would prefer he stays but wish him the best if he leaves.

Still stunned Quinn resigned. Danny Ainge at work screwing up the Jazz now

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6/6/2022  3:23 PM
Chandler wrote:I would prefer he stays but wish him the best if he leaves.

Still stunned Quinn resigned. Danny Ainge at work screwing up the Jazz now

Quinn as been with Utah for 8 years. Maybe not his fault, but the team with a core of Mitchell, Gobert, Conely, Bojan Bogdanović, Ingles, Jordan Clarkson over the past years has not made it past Conference Semis.

Quinn and staff could not mend enough of the fence between Mitchell and Gobert.

At this point, you either have to go all in and give Quinn a huge extension (most likely what he is asking for) or admit maybe you need fresh coaching staff given the circumstance of Mitchell/Goboert with the early exits.

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6/6/2022  3:44 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:I would prefer he stays but wish him the best if he leaves.

Still stunned Quinn resigned. Danny Ainge at work screwing up the Jazz now

Quinn as been with Utah for 8 years. Maybe not his fault, but the team with a core of Mitchell, Gobert, Conely, Bojan Bogdanović, Ingles, Jordan Clarkson over the past years has not made it past Conference Semis.

Quinn and staff could not mend enough of the fence between Mitchell and Gobert.

At this point, you either have to go all in and give Quinn a huge extension (most likely what he is asking for) or admit maybe you need fresh coaching staff given the circumstance of Mitchell/Goboert with the early exits.

He had two more years on his deal (if he wanted) and they wanted to throw more at him. He had hip replacement after season which may be why he waited.
There was thought he'd be available for Lakers job. He is 56 and perhaps wants to see one more gig and get paid. Seemed as if ownership and that means Ainge wanted him to stay.
I think Martin was correct is due for a rebuild or sorts and the noise of Mitchell with Gorbert is something that need be dealt with. I don't know if Quin was up to leave Salt Lake? His kids might be out the house, maybe wife want to be elsewhere? Im sure the money is not the issue.
Since we always assume players want to play at home, lets assume Quin from Mercer Island, out side of Seattle is the same and with a pending franchise he might be linked to a group that might value him as coach, and maybe president with an equity stake for his affiliation. Im just throwing that out there. he can tank some time to get his health and put together a team. Just nalodian speculation.

NBA jobs open up all the time. Maybe Jordan will throw him some big money and also try to bring on Coach K as advisory role to work with Kupchek? Dukies in the chapel hill house? I doubt that.
8 years after how many as assistant in NBA, head coach NCAA, and in europe takes its toll. Take a year to chil and Regroup. Most likely a team sucking could fire its coach, let assistant do interim thing and bring him in later.
Have to Think Nate Mac in ATL might be running out of time? Is snyder Pops deemed successor? He coached the Toro's for a few years and is proven. I don't know if pop has anyone on his bench that is anointed to succeed.

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6/6/2022  3:44 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:I would prefer he stays but wish him the best if he leaves.

Still stunned Quinn resigned. Danny Ainge at work screwing up the Jazz now

Quinn as been with Utah for 8 years. Maybe not his fault, but the team with a core of Mitchell, Gobert, Conely, Bojan Bogdanović, Ingles, Jordan Clarkson over the past years has not made it past Conference Semis.

Quinn and staff could not mend enough of the fence between Mitchell and Gobert.

At this point, you either have to go all in and give Quinn a huge extension (most likely what he is asking for) or admit maybe you need fresh coaching staff given the circumstance of Mitchell/Goboert with the early exits.

i saw reports they offered an extension and he turned it down. When he says they need a "new voice" i took that to mean (perhaps wrongly) he wasn't seeing eye to eye with Ainge and if Ainge wasn't going to listen to Quin, Quinn was more than happy to resign

Big question now is whether Ainge sees Mitchell and Rudy as a younger version of Pierce and KD and tries a complete reboot. He could get a huge haul for either and i don't see the merit of just trading one unless you were getting back a star vet that somehow would fit better than whoever is traded. If they're trading either for picks they should trade both

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6/6/2022  4:26 PM
Got the whole Allstar game thing this year and one can see Jazz trying to put their best face on. Not a good year to reboot the thing. Burn out? Maybe.
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6/6/2022  7:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2022  7:41 PM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:Johnny does not have head experience and we don’t know What Utah wants. Also the staff is under contract
Is it to make Donovan mitchell happy? What about Ainge and high profile minority owner Dwade? They might have a say?

it would be aloss, but its not like he Cannot be replaced and fact is that person might be even better?
But I’d prefer Johnny stay and grow what we got.

Of course JB will get the job- he was the lead assistant there, is very highly regarded, has ties there and is D-Mitch’s choice so it keeps him sweet too. If he wants it, he’ll get the job- pretty much guaranteed.

I was not aware he was the “associate head coach for Jazz” upon his depature from them. Many times teams can hire away an assistant as long as they are promoted via title. Also, he is not shown with that title, just as an assistant with the Jazz.
Does that mean they don’t hire him? Of course they will entertain him and Im sure the usual suspects of available coaches will surface. Donovan can and might have a voice but it also falls on him if it does not work. He has a long term contract and an owership group that seems to want him.
I suspect he has been doing good work with IQ and I’d hate to lose him.
If so are there other good development coaches out there either to hire or on our employment already that also do a good job.

Yep. That's the reality you face when you hire talented people. I wish Bryant luck wherever his future endeavors take him. There are other guys out there waiting for a shot if Bryant leaves.

The lack of decent/imaginative replacements for Woody and Payne has me worried though, as did the hiring of Brunson (unless it was to entice Jalen)- it's like Wes and Rose have given up pushing Thibs and seeking out great assistants and are just letting Thibs pick his old, clapped out gang.


Hahaha, did you become a Mormon? It seems like someone might have heard your prayers. Or maybe it's the gods of chaos responding to my darkest hopes and desires.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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6/6/2022  8:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2022  8:28 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Nalod wrote:Johnny does not have head experience and we don’t know What Utah wants. Also the staff is under contract
Is it to make Donovan mitchell happy? What about Ainge and high profile minority owner Dwade? They might have a say?

it would be aloss, but its not like he Cannot be replaced and fact is that person might be even better?
But I’d prefer Johnny stay and grow what we got.

Of course JB will get the job- he was the lead assistant there, is very highly regarded, has ties there and is D-Mitch’s choice so it keeps him sweet too. If he wants it, he’ll get the job- pretty much guaranteed.

I was not aware he was the “associate head coach for Jazz” upon his depature from them. Many times teams can hire away an assistant as long as they are promoted via title. Also, he is not shown with that title, just as an assistant with the Jazz.
Does that mean they don’t hire him? Of course they will entertain him and Im sure the usual suspects of available coaches will surface. Donovan can and might have a voice but it also falls on him if it does not work. He has a long term contract and an owership group that seems to want him.
I suspect he has been doing good work with IQ and I’d hate to lose him.
If so are there other good development coaches out there either to hire or on our employment already that also do a good job.

Yep. That's the reality you face when you hire talented people. I wish Bryant luck wherever his future endeavors take him. There are other guys out there waiting for a shot if Bryant leaves.

The lack of decent/imaginative replacements for Woody and Payne has me worried though, as did the hiring of Brunson (unless it was to entice Jalen)- it's like Wes and Rose have given up pushing Thibs and seeking out great assistants and are just letting Thibs pick his old, clapped out gang.


Hahaha, did you become a Mormon? It seems like someone might have heard your prayers. Or maybe it's the gods of chaos responding to my darkest hopes and desires.


We laugh but Fizdale isn’t a X and O coach he is a ego stroking Coach. I don’t see them hiring him as a HC but I can definitely see them bring him in as someone who can talk to Mitchell and for their sakes keep him happy. He shouldn’t be a HC anytime soon but this is the level he is currently at.
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6/7/2022  1:16 AM
I don't think Danny is that interested in the old regime. He will hire the best person for the job. I agree that with the All Star game coming to town he wants to make a splash. There aren't any untouchables on Ainge's teams.
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6/7/2022  9:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/7/2022  12:19 PM
Some how if Fiz were to succeed would it invalidate our opinions of him? Is he not allowed to grow and expand as a person and coach?
Its like when fans superimpose how thibs could make decisions based on our recollection of his career in others places. “Thibs don’t do this, he don’t do that”. Then we make excuses like “well he had to play yoot cuz of injuries”.

Fiz was given a lot of rope to develope a young team. After years of losing, the fan base got very frustrated. If a team has had success it could tolerate a rebuild if communicaated properly.

Knicks record wise would have been better if we won 37 games, then did the 10 over .500. I fear any regression would be met with great irrational fan reactions. Its understandable but we also know teams need time to build. While changing coaching and FO is a necessary evil it also is not progress. Change is not always improvement.

We are deep, have picks, and while we lack cap space we have some flexabilty. We don’t have franchise killer contraccts.
I liked Fiz and felt bad for him. could he have done better? Of course he could have. I liked his energy and charasmatic approach. I root for all knick coaches to succeed. I hope he lands a good gig and reaches a level of success!

Same For MDA. I hope he lands in CLT and as long as he does not block us, I hope he wins a chip if he gets the gig!

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6/7/2022  10:07 AM
Why is everyone so high on Bryant?
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6/7/2022  3:00 PM
Lakers have let Fiz go, along with two other assistant coaches- didn't last long there!
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