If the knicks trade up and get Ivey and resign Mitch and call it an offseason will that be enough to push the knicks back in the playoffs?

BRIGGS wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I know the price will be high, can you see Ja in him? Is he worth the price to move up? Is sending 2 additional 1st with the 11th and a young player like Cam, Deuce or even Grimes be worth it if the knicks can finally have their own "Ja" or "Garland"? Or should the Knicks be better off settling with D'Angelo Russel or Sexton? Can Ivey be the FO's offseason big move?

If the knicks trade up and get Ivey and resign Mitch and call it an offseason will that be enough to push the knicks back in the playoffs?

I would really love it. There would be a ton of pressure on him but look at this mans physical ability
Donovan Mitchell/ja morant.

I would like this front office to finally swing BIG and pull the trigger on Ivey. This front office is putting too mny eggs on waiting for a disgruntled superstar to ask a trade. Somehow there are more teams more attractive than the knicks. Somehow there are more teams that can outbid the knicks. If the opportunity presents itself, somehow its still out of the Knick's hand. If they do their homework on Ivey and if they deem him as a superstar i hope they do whatever it takes to move up and draft this kid. Surprise knicks fans in a pleasant way for once. 😜

The cavs found 2 good PGs in consecutive drafts. Can the knicks finally get this one, Ivey.

BRIGGS wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I know the price will be high, can you see Ja in him? Is he worth the price to move up? Is sending 2 additional 1st with the 11th and a young player like Cam, Deuce or even Grimes be worth it if the knicks can finally have their own "Ja" or "Garland"? Or should the Knicks be better off settling with D'Angelo Russel or Sexton? Can Ivey be the FO's offseason big move?

If the knicks trade up and get Ivey and resign Mitch and call it an offseason will that be enough to push the knicks back in the playoffs?

I would really love it. There would be a ton of pressure on him but look at this mans physical ability
Donovan Mitchell/ja morant.

If Knicks scouts thought that Ivey had ceiling near Mtichell/Ja, would you entertain RJ for Ivey?

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I know the price will be high, can you see Ja in him? Is he worth the price to move up? Is sending 2 additional 1st with the 11th and a young player like Cam, Deuce or even Grimes be worth it if the knicks can finally have their own "Ja" or "Garland"? Or should the Knicks be better off settling with D'Angelo Russel or Sexton? Can Ivey be the FO's offseason big move?

If the knicks trade up and get Ivey and resign Mitch and call it an offseason will that be enough to push the knicks back in the playoffs?

I would really love it. There would be a ton of pressure on him but look at this mans physical ability
Donovan Mitchell/ja morant.

If Knicks scouts thought that Ivey had ceiling near Mtichell/Ja, would you entertain RJ for Ivey?

I don’t want to trade rj but if everyone was on same page with their thoughts on ivy than yes

Well you buy time on having to pay- if I am keeping 11 and just straight up trading RJ for the 4th pick/Ivey - then yes, I think it makes sense to do that and add 2 young potential players.

From a Hinkie standpoint, RJ seems to be far away from being able to get us to the Finals like Tatum has for Boston. Reset and roll the dice again.

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I know the price will be high, can you see Ja in him? Is he worth the price to move up? Is sending 2 additional 1st with the 11th and a young player like Cam, Deuce or even Grimes be worth it if the knicks can finally have their own "Ja" or "Garland"? Or should the Knicks be better off settling with D'Angelo Russel or Sexton? Can Ivey be the FO's offseason big move?

If the knicks trade up and get Ivey and resign Mitch and call it an offseason will that be enough to push the knicks back in the playoffs?

I would really love it. There would be a ton of pressure on him but look at this mans physical ability
Donovan Mitchell/ja morant.

If Knicks scouts thought that Ivey had ceiling near Mtichell/Ja, would you entertain RJ for Ivey?

I don’t want to trade rj but if everyone was on same page with their thoughts on ivy than yes

Well you buy time on having to pay- if I am keeping 11 and just straight up trading RJ for the 4th pick/Ivey - then yes, I think it makes sense to do that and add 2 young potential players.

From a Hinkie standpoint, RJ seems to be far away from being able to get us to the Finals like Tatum has for Boston. Reset and roll the dice again.

I'll remain consistent on my view of Ivey. I've watched a lot of him at Purdue. To me his NBA comparable is De'Aaron Fox (with less assists) and not Ja Morant or Mitchell. Ivey has superior speed and is extremely athletic. But he has yet to show he can shoot with any consistency/efficiency nor does he see the floor as a polished point guard. So the question for me is would you trade RJ straight up for D. Fox? RJ has his flaws but is still developing, so I say no.

BRIGGS wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:I know the price will be high, can you see Ja in him? Is he worth the price to move up? Is sending 2 additional 1st with the 11th and a young player like Cam, Deuce or even Grimes be worth it if the knicks can finally have their own "Ja" or "Garland"? Or should the Knicks be better off settling with D'Angelo Russel or Sexton? Can Ivey be the FO's offseason big move?

If the knicks trade up and get Ivey and resign Mitch and call it an offseason will that be enough to push the knicks back in the playoffs?

I would really love it. There would be a ton of pressure on him but look at this mans physical ability
Donovan Mitchell/ja morant.

If Knicks scouts thought that Ivey had ceiling near Mtichell/Ja, would you entertain RJ for Ivey?

I don’t want to trade rj but if everyone was on same page with their thoughts on ivy than yes

Well you buy time on having to pay- if I am keeping 11 and just straight up trading RJ for the 4th pick/Ivey - then yes, I think it makes sense to do that and add 2 young potential players.

From a Hinkie standpoint, RJ seems to be far away from being able to get us to the Finals like Tatum has for Boston. Reset and roll the dice again.

I'll remain consistent on my view of Ivey. I've watched a lot of him at Purdue. To me his NBA comparable is De'Aaron Fox (with less assists) and not Ja Morant or Mitchell. Ivey has superior speed and is extremely athletic. But he has yet to show he can shoot with any consistency/efficiency nor does he see the floor as a polished point guard. So the question for me is would you trade RJ straight up for D. Fox? RJ has his flaws but is still developing, so I say no.

No way Daron Fox. Ivey is not even a PG. Hes much more like D Mitchell who also could not shoot as a junior in college. Ended up pretty good? Im not sure Id be willing to trade RJ for him unless the Knicks scouts are very close to agreement we should. Ivey will be better in the pros because he has major tier 1 athletic ability with full body control and handle.

I'm still trying to figure out what RJ is really good at that he would be a long term worthwhile investment.

I get the marketing aspect of him but as a raw player, what are you getting besides volume so far? He eats minutes, he is high volume on not very good shooting %, I am not convinced of him as a defender.

jskinny35 wrote:I'm still trying to figure out what RJ is really good at that he would be a long term worthwhile investment.

I get the marketing aspect of him but as a raw player, what are you getting besides volume so far? He eats minutes, he is high volume on not very good shooting %, I am not convinced of him as a defender.

I think he may end up as jack of all trades - master of none kind of player. Super solid and can definitely be a key piece on a championship team. He has the mental makeup and his game will age well since he's crafty, strong and doesn't rely on athleticism. He has also show a willingness to step up and take clutch shots - obviously he needs to shoot better for this to pay off but good that's asserting himself as a young player.

He is limited athletically and needs to get back to (at least) last season's efficiency to be that player we keep/factor into our roster construction. I do think he will play better without Randle and increasing the game pace/tempo with guys like IQ and Obi. Next season will likely answer what many of us wonder about - is RJ a perfect complement to our A level player... more then that or less? Randle was also inefficient and impacted spacing so think pairing RJ with another uptempo athletic wing would be a better fit to bring out RJ's strengths (eg trasition, less spot up shooting).

He definitely is strong and hopefully he figures out how to use that to his advantage. I don't find RJ very crafty at ALL, in fact, the opposite. Not a natural passer, not crafty around the rim, not crafty in the mid range (those push shots are embarrassing).

For me, I'd love for the Knicks to trade and get value for Randle, just don't like him as a base player. I love RJ with the young kids but pretty soon he'll be in the $25M range and that's a whole lotta difference than just being a 22yo with 3 years under his belt trying to figure things out.