They need to be removed and removed asap.

I swear.

If Kemba Walker and especially Evan Fournier start again?

I won't watch.

Kemba Walker and especially Evan Fournier completely ruined and destroyed coach Thibs Defensive Identify (I said it from day 1).

and it's no coincidence how Boston gets rid of both atrocious scrubs and immediately makes the NBA finals the following season.

I'd rather go 0-82 than have to watch Kemba/Fournier play another single second.

(rant over).

franco12 wrote:not for anything, but the Celtics could have used Fournier's shooting. Walker was, is and always will be washed up.

This. There’s zero association with them losing Fournier and suddenly making the finals. He would have been extremely useful for them. Kemba gone and having smart/white in those PG minutes was a huge difference maker no doubt.

Boston’s formula is really very simple. They have 2 franchise star wings and have them surrounded with defensive role players, led by the DPOY.

Clean wrote:The FO was stuck between a rock and a hard place. We needed offense badly. We got locked up by the Hawks and they are terrible on D. SO if we brought the same team back this year we had no chance of going through the Heat, Celtics or Bucks. We need offensive players because our coaches offense is not good enough to carry the players we have and we ISO Randle WAY too much for how inefficient he is. Also the Kemba part of the equation is a little overblown. Our roster was set when we added him. We did not go out of our way to sign him at the start of the offseason. We added him into the left over cap space we had when he came free and we still had room. The problem is we kept playing him when it was obvious things were never going to work out. It was the theme of the last season. Heavy minutes to the players who are not playing well and hope they can figure it out.

That’s what I’m getting at, they don’t trust the process of development. You have to think RJB will improve, Quickly, Obi will improve. They don’t trust the process enough and they succumb to try and hit home runs. When no home run hitters are available. One bad series should not affect a teams forward progression. When the team is young you’re building towards goals. You mentioned Heat, Bucks and Celtics they had to do their time. Just look at Brown and Tatum they had to do their time and develop. Even they took their shots with FA and it didn’t work for them. Bucks another team that did their time. Heat lucked into a finals but you see today that they develop players as well. Front office took a young and rising team and made them old and suppressed. Thibs just plays into it because he doesn’t trust young players. If front office doesn’t add Fournier and Kemba I guarantee that Thibs would have been forced to play the young players sooner rather than later.

jrodmc wrote:Great thread. So all we need to do is offload one of the best 3 point shooters in the league and we're going to the Finals!

I sure hope Leon is reading this.

Fournier is not a good defender. But I saw effort from him and leadership - remember when he called out their offensive performance - it was a stinker of a game- the next game, he had a great performance.

I like Fournier. He's not perfect, but he is also not our problem.

If we're trying to get to the finals- and I am sure that is what everyone with the organization is trying to do- at some point you do need to ask if it is time to blow the roster up. It is far too early.

Will Fournier be on the roster when this franchise gets back to the playoffs- good shot of that happening next year.

Will he be on the roster when we make the finals again? Doubt it, but sadly a lot of us here will have stopped posting because we'll be dead!

- side note - great idea for the order of the NBA - add in how long it's been since a franchise was last in the finals!

Clean wrote:I actually don't mind EF. Is he a good defender? No, but he was part of the team that played good defense for sections of last season. What hurt EF most of last season is he started the season hurts with an ankle injury and a shoulder injury. People for some reason never brings this up when talking about his slow start. Thibs also not wanting to break up the EF and Kemba starting lineup did both no favors. Both your backcourt can't be bad defenders. Why we could not at least try Kemba off the bench is something I will never understand. With EF he has games where he just won't hit a shot. The coaching staff needs to notice when these games are happening and bench him for the second half of them. Its the same thing with Reggie Bullock. Stop forcing them to play when they are off and try someone else.

What were the reasonable solutions?

The Post previously reported the Knicks analytics staff pushed the Walker signing when the franchise passed on free agents such as Lonzo Ball, Kyle Lowry, Spencer Dinwiddie, Dennis Schroeder, Reggie Jackson and Cam Payne.

Reggie had a good return year but was always rooted to return to LA. Ball has knee issue that ruined his season. Schoroeder and Payne fizzled, and Lowrey at 28mil per year looks like retired Paul pierce. Dinwiddie in DC vs Dallas is two different takes. Which one would have been a knick?

At 9mil per Kemba was a cost effective high risk. We lost. but 9mil makes him trade Fodder MAYBE.
Kemba is. A good dude, respected and well liked. Sometimes you win, sometomes you don’t. Im ok with this one. I don’t look for reasons to hate on Thibs so I don’t see his banashment as that. Why? Kemba never complained and until otherwise Im thinking it was mutual. Maybe IM wrong?