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TLover
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5/20/2022  7:02 AM
With teams going away from the traditional center; is it time we start Randle at C and Obi at PF??
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5/20/2022  7:24 AM
TLover wrote:With teams going away from the traditional center; is it time we start Randle at C and Obi at PF??

It's something that would seem to make sense, but I'm not sure it would work. Randle was consistently booty on defense (poor rotations, inconsistent effort, inattentiveness) and I'm not even bringing up the lack of rim protection.

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5/20/2022  8:32 AM
Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.
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5/20/2022  8:34 AM
I think what you are seeing is the most skilled, talented NBA players are still playing, and they tend to be wing type players.

If we had Shaq, Olajuwon, Tim Duncan- they would be starring right now on the biggest stage.

We should be looking at how we can get our best 5 players on the court at the same time. If that is a small ball line up, so be it.

But I think Mitch is one of the players on our team that can make a difference to our winning games.

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5/20/2022  8:49 AM
Depends on the evening. Dallas played to its strength. Small ball but with a 6-8 PG in a PF dad bod. it works. Heat win with a fast defense and BAM. Boston has Horford but a 6-10 wing tatum. He is as tall as Bam.
warriors have bigs but they are not great. They are big everywhere else. Draymond is not atypical.

I won’t rule out a thing with the knicks. What was is not always what will be. Randle is a 6-8 PF with Wing skills. We can debate those skills for another few months. What can OBI do for us? Most fans have painted his ceiling. Same for RJ. Until he is an allstar he is not. Thats fair.

Small ball is having good players and the defense can’t stop it. Hard to do. Easy to type.
With a ver deep roster we can put out different looks and/or consolidate trade.

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5/20/2022  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2022  12:07 PM
Still need big. Al Horford, Adebayo, Loony. Dallas is undersized even though they have like Boban and Stein in their roster. If anything Knicks should look for a skilled big man in the draft not PG. they have PG but we have a nut bag for a coach who has no assessment ability for his own damn roster.

Knicks need to look for a skilled big man. Doesn’t have to be 7’ guy some 6’10 PF/C who can spread the floor is ideal.

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5/20/2022  12:28 PM
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5/20/2022  12:33 PM
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

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5/20/2022  12:34 PM
Vmart wrote:Still need big. Al Horford, Adebayo, Loony. Dallas is undersized even though they have like Boban and Stein in their roster. If anything Knicks should look for a skilled big man in the draft not PG. they have PG but we have a nut bag for a coach who has no assessment ability for his own damn roster.

Knicks need to look for a skilled big man. Doesn’t have to be 7’ guy some 6’10 PF/C who can spread the floor is ideal.

I give credit to Danny Ainge. He’s built 3 championship teams. These r his guys. Also I think Peyton Pritchard is gonna be the next Steve Nash. They have two stars with size brown Tatum They have hybrid big players in g Williams and r Williams two mobile bigs in thesis and Horford and then the DOP in smart. It’s a big team with depth and talent. Golden state played with bigger guys the first run This time around they are a tad smaller still with three hybrid bigs and then superstar wings all over the floor. Some real fancy nba teams for sure

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5/20/2022  7:30 PM
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

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5/20/2022  8:32 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

And I can't stand people who slam Mitch cause he can't shoot 3pters. Or a mid range shot. Because Mitch is exactly how old and been playing professional ball for how long?

He has improved every year, and I expect at some point he will develop a shot- hopefully a mid range shot like Camby had or perhaps a 3 pter like Taj Gibson.

My biggest question about Mitch is does he live and breath basketball like other great players- and while he is not Michael Jordanesque, he showed during the year that he could grab rebounds in traffic with tenacity.

He is a keeper. Why create holes that we don't need to? The money we pay Mitch isn't going to stop us from signing anyone else. We're at the cap, we'll be over when we start having to pay RJ, Cam, IQ and others.

Losing him for nothing would be stupid.

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5/20/2022  8:54 PM
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

MitchRob's talent belongs on a Playoff team (The same as Jarrett Allen's talent).
Both 2-Way centers have the talent/skills to go to the FINALS in the New NBA.

The New NBA has the majority of the NBA league teams trying to play Small-ball rotation throughout the regular season. Which gave 50 win seasons to the few Big-Man teams in the league like Philly, Bucks, Heats, and Celtics.
Next season a healthy Cavs team will have a 50 win season from their 2nd season Big-Man rotation.

The Old NBA had all sorts of teams having several different type of identities .. Big-ball, small-ball, fast-ball, halfcourt-ball, above the rim ball, or perimeter ball to win their games ..
Today New NBA 95% of the NBA teams try to win each quarter of a game by shooting 3 Ball shots every night !!!
BORING!
The New NBA games has been corrupting the athletics in college players the past decade.

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5/21/2022  7:33 AM
No, you go small with RJ at PF and Mitch at C
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5/21/2022  7:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2022  7:54 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

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It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

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5/21/2022  9:32 AM
Philc1 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.


It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

we don't know that yet. It would have been nice if we could have locked him up longer term, but with his injuries, an absolute concern about his long term viability. I think his play this year answered those questions and I hope he gets paid.

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5/21/2022  9:43 AM
Philc1 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.


It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

U could put rj at 4 like we did with melo

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5/21/2022  10:48 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.


It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

U could put rj at 4 like we did with melo

will be our lineup in 2 years after Randle forces a buyout next season

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5/21/2022  1:03 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:Still need big. Al Horford, Adebayo, Loony. Dallas is undersized even though they have like Boban and Stein in their roster. If anything Knicks should look for a skilled big man in the draft not PG. they have PG but we have a nut bag for a coach who has no assessment ability for his own damn roster.

Knicks need to look for a skilled big man. Doesn’t have to be 7’ guy some 6’10 PF/C who can spread the floor is ideal.

I give credit to Danny Ainge. He’s built 3 championship teams. These r his guys. Also I think Peyton Pritchard is gonna be the next Steve Nash. They have two stars with size brown Tatum They have hybrid big players in g Williams and r Williams two mobile bigs in thesis and Horford and then the DOP in smart. It’s a big team with depth and talent. Golden state played with bigger guys the first run This time around they are a tad smaller still with three hybrid bigs and then superstar wings all over the floor. Some real fancy nba teams for sure

The Knicks are built the same way. Cam Reddish, Obi, Randle and RJB. Mitch, Noel and Simms. Only thing is the Knicks bigs can’t spread the floor or have mid range that Horford has. That’s why if we can get a better shooting floor spacer for a big. The smaller guys will be able to operate better. Right now the lane gets clogged. As Mitches defender is always near the basket not respecting his shot.

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5/21/2022  3:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/21/2022  3:39 PM
Philc1 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.


It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and also hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. Do not know if that is the case for the the Knicks. Who may not be able to afford a player who costs so much but may not be on the floor or who is, to this point, quite limited on the offensive end. Do love his defense though. Definitely will be interesting to see what Knicks decide.

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5/21/2022  3:37 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
Vmart wrote:
wargames wrote:Mitch still can guard on the perimeter. In theory if they keep him, they could still go big. Noel was able too as well.

Mitch is going to get paid and he will be an expense. He doesn’t bring enough to the table to make a difference and to be given a big contract. He is a liability in today’s NBA. He can’t shoot outside of 5 feet from the basket.

Mitchell has led the team in win shares every season he has played by a considerable margin. He was 13th in the league last season. I get how the "eye test" would find it hard to believe he was the 13th most impactful player in the league but that's why we have stats.

This.


It is incredible and so Knick-like that our front office is cheaping out on resigning Mitch after giving Randle that asinine contract

You had me at "Resigning Mitch" but then you had to throw "asinine Randle" contract. Mitch will probably look to get a 4 year $15M per contract despite limited offensive game and fragile injury history.Randle had many years of production and had an All Star year. Do hope we sign Mitch and hoped he would have been extended. However, maybe a team like the Warriors would be a better fit. Teams that can afford to have a Center that is just a slasher and can protect the rim. So not know if the Knicks can spend so much on a player that may not be on the floor and who is to this point quite limited on the offensive end. Still feel/hope he will remain a Knock though.

Randle has easily the league’s worst contract. He’s a more in shape Zach Randolph. Double doubles every night but his teams don’t win. That’s why Randle has made the playoffs once in 8 nba seasons

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