gradyandrew wrote:I like Obi but no tears shed if he's moved. He just doesn't strike me as a guy who can really elevate his game, summer league and end of the season games excluded. I honestly think he would shoot 40% as a starter. I feel like he's got some trade value now. I could see him bringing hope and excitement to a lottery bound team like the Trailblazers, signing a middle class contract and then being traded once the team decides to compete.

It is kind of weird to exclude the only time he ever got real minutes. Maybe it's been because I always been extremely high on Obi if we ever got a good PG. Luckily Quick became one by the end of the year. I remember a stat where a majority of his assists were to Obi. All those times we saw Obi wide open under the basket without our "pgs" even seeing him was finally being turned into assists for the pgs and pts for Obi. The increased 3pt shooting with consistent minutes was just the icing on the cake. I did expect see him shooting that well. However, It was not beyond the realm of possibly since people said he was a good shooter in the NCAA.

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Clean wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I like Obi but no tears shed if he's moved. He just doesn't strike me as a guy who can really elevate his game, summer league and end of the season games excluded. I honestly think he would shoot 40% as a starter. I feel like he's got some trade value now. I could see him bringing hope and excitement to a lottery bound team like the Trailblazers, signing a middle class contract and then being traded once the team decides to compete.

It is kind of weird to exclude the only time he ever got real minutes. Maybe it's been because I always been extremely high on Obi if we ever got a good PG. Luckily Quick became one by the end of the year. I remember a stat where a majority of his assists were to Obi. All those times we saw Obi wide open under the basket without our "pgs" even seeing him was finally being turned into assists for the pgs and pts for Obi. The increased 3pt shooting with consistent minutes was just the icing on the cake. I did expect see him shooting that well. However, It was not beyond the realm of possibly since people said he was a good shooter in the NCAA.

I like how you put this Clean. I am in agreement with you. I had it in my head wrong as “if you exclude the times he played well” but the correlation is to the minutes without having to look over his shoulder and worry about the short leash. I also think he should excel with better passing teammates.

I still like Randle but don’t think he and Barrett will co-exist. I think Randle wants to be the centerpiece of the offense and Barrett is trying to establish himself as the centerpiece of the offense and the play like crap together.

Double same. We would also have to completely ignore what he did in his last year in college. For me, even in the environment of teams resting guys and taking it easy, Obi brought it. He still hit his 3 point shot at a high clip for last 15 games of season. So that's the ceiling, whether or not he can get back there and figure out how to do it consistently is another thing but it's viable potential.

There should still be big question marks about his ability to perform on the defensive side of things. He has got to get stronger to be able to rebound in traffic when he isn't beating everyone down the court. His awareness on the defensive end is going to be key too.

I think both IQ and Obi will surprise us next year. Don't know if Obi will start or what the line up will be but if Randle is gone and IQ/Obi start, the team will get off to slow start but once it clicks, it'll be sweet magic and fun to watch.

gradyandrew wrote:I'm not even saying it's logical- maybe trading Randle and promoting Obi is the way to go. I just can't ignore that the only player Randle had a positive +/- was IQ. The IQ Burks Randle threesome was also a net positive. I'm thinking Obi looking good is more so the result of him playing with IQ than anything else.

Realistically speaking, Obi only played when IQ was on the court so drawing any conclusion is almost pointless.

Obi is not really a self creator, so he needs a PG.

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martin wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:I'm not even saying it's logical- maybe trading Randle and promoting Obi is the way to go. I just can't ignore that the only player Randle had a positive +/- was IQ. The IQ Burks Randle threesome was also a net positive. I'm thinking Obi looking good is more so the result of him playing with IQ than anything else.

Realistically speaking, Obi only played when IQ was on the court so drawing any conclusion is almost pointless.

Obi is not really a self creator, so he needs a PG.

That's where my hesitation comes from. Obi was assisted on 86% of his FG's vs about 40% for Randle. I'm not sure what the 'truth' there is. Is Obi just working in the offense or is he useless without a PG? Is Randle an ISO hero or goat? The truth lies somewhere in between.

I never felt like the team gave up in season and Randle still has the coaches support. I do think the Knicks need to make some kind of a move to at least change the chemistry a little from last season. Randle RJ Fournier Burks IQ Grimes Sims seem like 7 of the 10 or so guys for the rotation.

Robinson is a question mark going into FA. I'm not sure if a lot of teams are lining up to pay him when the Whitesides McGee's and Drummonds of the world are so readily available.

Reddish and Obi are kind of in the same boat. If the Knicks can't plan a path for them to get more than 17.1 minutes a game, it probably is best to just move on.

Rose and Noel are question marks. Kemba is toast right? I'm trying to remember if I ever saw him around the team following him losing his spot. I think it's a no.

Todays league is by all about spacing and pacing which is why PGs and wings dominate. Most big men are more similar to Obi and Mitch then to Randle. Most big men in today’s league don’t create their own shot the only one I can think of really is Jokic. Giannis has a PF body but he’s really a point forward. Ditto for Lebron