Posted by djsunyc:

he's the one guy we have that can carry the whole offense on his shoulders but alas, he's on IR and who knows if he'll ever be the same again.

Here is where the H2O fans get in trouble. If he is the offensive weapon that is carrying a team, it will never win a championship.

yeah but neither will stephon or any other player on the knicks. but if you ask would i rather have houston and duncan or stephon and duncan I will take steph and duncan

How can you expect the Knicks to win if any of our players scored 20 or more???

I disagree. Tim Thomas had his absolute worst game to me tonight. In the other games were he couldn't score Coach Wilkens would pull him quick for Ariza. Tonight he left him in and Tim proved to be extremely careless with the ball imo. I can think of at least 3 instances where Tim made a pass that resulted in a turnover just based on carelessness. On the other side I can think of probably 5 occasions where Stephon, Jamal and Penny had difficulty getting the ball to Tim because he was not agressive with using his body to establish position (resulting in a tip pass or turnover). I can sympathize with the guy and I don't wish any ill will on him. However, right now he's a fish out of water out there on the court. 3-12 at one point...I certainly expected more from him than that just based on last year. Again, imo he's a lot slower than he was last year so he can't drive around anyone anymore and his jumper is not nearly as fluid. All a result of the boxing and the weight training. Unfortunately he's not boxing right now.

Oh Tim drove quite often last year and finished with a dunk. I recall him stealing the ball from Jefferson on one play and driving the length of the court for a contested layup. Of course while celebrating Jefferson came right back with a quick score while being fouled by Tim (3pt play) . I thought we'd get more of the former this year. That's what the hit in the Jersey Series was all about. Tim was driving to the hoop on Jefferson whenever he wanted. He and Stephon were our only scoring options until Gazygate.

In reference to fastbreaks taking luck....well that's not been my experience. A fast break is one of the most technical excercises that can be performed on the court. That's why teams go out and sign people that can rebound the ball and relay a precise pass to start a break. That's a highly technical skill that not everyone can do and I think that's why teams are called halfcourt or fastbreak teams.

I agree with you to some extent about half court play. However, Tim did it fairly often last year. Just look at the dunk on the MSG highlight trailer and you'll see Tim flying in in traffic for a dunk. Unfortunately that's last year and 10 - 15 pounds lighter. Tim Thomas has a lot of skill for someone of his physical makeup and that's undeniable (and also why people have been so frustrated with him over the years). It's also undeniable that he's stinkin it up. Tim's not a do all - do everything player. Not a great defender, not tough, not a leader, not a motivator etc. He's not a power forward and he never will be (no matter how much muscle he packs on). But last year there was one thing he did for the 20 odd games he played for us last year - Score. He could shoot consistently and drive to the hoop (with the occasional strong finish-dunk) . I recall thinking, "man I like Keith Van Horn but Keith could never do that" - brain quote . Can anyone remind me of one time this year where Tim has successfully taken someone all the way to the rack? Now He's just too daggon big. Here's hoping he adjust because he's ours for the forseeable future.

I still rather hope and pray TT gets out of this than have Penny start.