Philc1 wrote:We really need a starting PG but the world isn’t ending if we don’t get Brunson, there are other options that are cheaper and more realistic

Thats like saying "there are nicer people to me than Nalod", but you don't name them.

Is there anyone that is saying "bust" when it comes to Brunson? Its like "Hey, he is an upgrade at a price point"......

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

You got me. Brunson sucks. Now wait until his next 20+ point game so I can create another thread about how great he is. No one is saying Brunson or bust. He is good player and if the Knicks can add him w/o killing their pool of assets, then they should do it. Nothing wrong with letting things play out.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

You got me. Brunson sucks. Now wait until his next 20+ point game so I can create another thread about how great he is. No one is saying Brunson or bust. He is good player and if the Knicks can add him w/o killing their pool of assets, then they should do it. Nothing wrong with letting things play out.

UK mentions over the last month:
Brunson 325
Tyus Jones and others combined: 12

You dont just let this play out. I appreciate your cavalier attitude but the number of times Knick fans say "get Brunson" is just too damn much! Its pure madness and I'll not have it

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

You got me. Brunson sucks. Now wait until his next 20+ point game so I can create another thread about how great he is. No one is saying Brunson or bust. He is good player and if the Knicks can add him w/o killing their pool of assets, then they should do it. Nothing wrong with letting things play out.

really? There's 10 threads that fix our PG problems... they all say "we need Brunson"

UK mentions over the last month:
Brunson 325
Tyus Jones and others combined: 12

You dont just let this play out. I appreciate your cavalier attitude but the number of times Knick fans say "get Brunson" is just too damn much! Its pure madness and I'll not have it

My first choice at point is the draft this year.

Failing that = for those in love with Brunson - I would suggest Jones at a fraction of the salary and asking price. His per 36 are pretty good and the team played extremely well when he started for Ja. While maybe not a world-beater - at least if you bring a guy in like Jones, you get good production while maintaining flexibility at the point in case of Rose downtime, and to continue to develop Deuce and IQ. Plus his contract will likely be moveable - unlike the $22M price tag for Brunson.

technomaster wrote:I take it that we've given up on McBride or Grimes getting PG minutes?

I'm fine with going into next season with largely the same roster, with McBride and IQ as our PG with some Burks and hopefully Rose.

But, is Thibs going to play McBride?

And, are you and everyone else ok with missing the play offs again? I'm encouraged by the play of IQ down the stretch, and the rest of the young players. If they start the season the way we finished, then I think the play offs are a realistic expectation, but I'm not sure if they realistically can. We'll need Randle to play up and RJ to get a lot more efficient.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Panos wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:We really need a starting PG but the world isn’t ending if we don’t get Brunson, there are other options that are cheaper and more realistic

Thats like saying "there are nicer people to me than Nalod", but you don't name them.

Is there anyone that is saying "bust" when it comes to Brunson? Its like "Hey, he is an upgrade at a price point"......

That's a VERY low bar.

Yeah, to be fair, Phil might kill the character limit on this forum if he made a list.

At least there would be an effort!

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:

technomaster wrote:I take it that we've given up on McBride or Grimes getting PG minutes?

I'm fine with going into next season with largely the same roster, with McBride and IQ as our PG with some Burks and hopefully Rose.

But, is Thibs going to play McBride?

And, are you and everyone else ok with missing the play offs again? I'm encouraged by the play of IQ down the stretch, and the rest of the young players. If they start the season the way we finished, then I think the play offs are a realistic expectation, but I'm not sure if they realistically can. We'll need Randle to play up and RJ to get a lot more efficient.

I don’t see how Brunson on his own, can lift us into the second round. We already proved we can make the playoffs with this roster. I would think the goal should be 2nd round or higher. Is a maxed out Brunson going to lead us to the 2nd round? How much maneuvering will we have financially if we give Brunson the max? And what’s our next move or is that our only move?

Depending on the above answers will dictate how I feel from a fans perspective. And I don’t get this Thibs will not play McBride stuff. He hand picked McBride personally and even pulled him into the rotation towards the end of the season that resulted in a positive impact on the team. Thibs will play whoever he’s forced to play. If we draft a PG and or add Brunson, then deuce will not play. Thibs already showed us he’s going to play players based on the pecking order from the front office. He’s not going to sit players the FO add, just to play deuce. But he will play deuce if he has no choice. And that’s assuming the FO doesn’t over crowd the PG spot with vets and or a rookie from the draft.

Defensively in my opinion deuce is still the best PG defender on this years roster and next years roster, without even knowing the PG land scape of this years draft. Kennedy is an option and he has decent enough defense with better offense. I’m ok with him or drafting someone that will jump ahead of deuce if they are the better player. But I would think grooming deuce as an option to be the backup would be ideal. Spend that extra Brunson money on the other holes we have to fill like center, wing defender more consistent catch and shoot players, etc. plus Dallas already said they not letting him go.

I must have missed our first round exit. This team hasn't really proved anything. Except maybe they play better on the road or in front of no one, when there are no expectations on them.

I tend to think our biggest hole is PG.

Center and wing defender? I thought Mitch was a pretty solid option there, with Simms and perhaps a healthy Noel.

Wing defender? Isn't that Barrett? Or Reddish or Grimes?

And if we add Brunson, he is coming in a S&T with like salaries attached heading out.

Kid looks like he has some upside. I was a FVV proponent. Less so with Brunson, but if we can add him without gutting the roster, it will help fill what I think is the biggest hole. It doesn't solve the problem of the PG position - it's a band aid at best.

And if we're trying to get to the 2nd round, we might want to blow the entire thing up and start over.

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Cause while Brunson is a really good player he's got a history of being rendered ineffective by longer athletic guards and you best be considering that when talking about moving the kind of parts it would take to engineer a deal that gets this guy here. (not the mention the contract itself)

You got me. Brunson sucks. Now wait until his next 20+ point game so I can create another thread about how great he is. No one is saying Brunson or bust. He is good player and if the Knicks can add him w/o killing their pool of assets, then they should do it. Nothing wrong with letting things play out.

really? There's 10 threads that fix our PG problems... they all say "we need Brunson"

UK mentions over the last month:
Brunson 325
Tyus Jones and others combined: 12

You dont just let this play out. I appreciate your cavalier attitude but the number of times Knick fans say "get Brunson" is just too damn much! Its pure madness and I'll not have it

assuming: mentions = contract dollars

what I would like is for our staff to put together a list of acceptable starting targets, and then I would like to pursue whoever is mentioned least on that list. We need to be bargain hunting -- IMO we aren't one piece away, should be trying to improve while maintaining as much flexibility as possible. So if that's Tyus Jones, great

blkexec wrote:

franco12 wrote:

technomaster wrote:I take it that we've given up on McBride or Grimes getting PG minutes?

I'm fine with going into next season with largely the same roster, with McBride and IQ as our PG with some Burks and hopefully Rose.

But, is Thibs going to play McBride?

And, are you and everyone else ok with missing the play offs again? I'm encouraged by the play of IQ down the stretch, and the rest of the young players. If they start the season the way we finished, then I think the play offs are a realistic expectation, but I'm not sure if they realistically can. We'll need Randle to play up and RJ to get a lot more efficient.

I don’t see how Brunson on his own, can lift us into the second round. We already proved we can make the playoffs with this roster. I would think the goal should be 2nd round or higher. Is a maxed out Brunson going to lead us to the 2nd round? How much maneuvering will we have financially if we give Brunson the max? And what’s our next move or is that our only move?

Depending on the above answers will dictate how I feel from a fans perspective. And I don’t get this Thibs will not play McBride stuff. He hand picked McBride personally and even pulled him into the rotation towards the end of the season that resulted in a positive impact on the team. Thibs will play whoever he’s forced to play. If we draft a PG and or add Brunson, then deuce will not play. Thibs already showed us he’s going to play players based on the pecking order from the front office. He’s not going to sit players the FO add, just to play deuce. But he will play deuce if he has no choice. And that’s assuming the FO doesn’t over crowd the PG spot with vets and or a rookie from the draft.

Defensively in my opinion deuce is still the best PG defender on this years roster and next years roster, without even knowing the PG land scape of this years draft. Kennedy is an option and he has decent enough defense with better offense. I’m ok with him or drafting someone that will jump ahead of deuce if they are the better player. But I would think grooming deuce as an option to be the backup would be ideal. Spend that extra Brunson money on the other holes we have to fill like center, wing defender more consistent catch and shoot players, etc. plus Dallas already said they not letting him go.

As long as Randle is the #1 option on this team, we will be competing for play-in spots for the foreseeable future, regardless if Brunson, McBride, or Burks are running the point.