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Dallas Mavericks guard Jalen Brunson (13) celebrates after making a 3-pointer during Game 2 of an NBA basketball first-round playoff series against the Utah Jazz, Monday, April 18, 2022.
Jalen Brunson has a lot of what the Knicks are missing — but the risks are high
“Jalen Brunson is a really, really good player and would be a fit anywhere,” Van Gundy said. “He’s very unselfish, high character guy, everything you want in your organization. But looking at him as a franchise player, though, that’s not him.

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“He’s really, really good. Is he potentially an All-Star? Hmm. I don’t know. That would be I think a bit of a stretch to think he’ll be an All-Star. So it depends on what people’s expectations are. If people’s expectations are, ‘We can get a really good player in Brunson?’ Yes. But if people are thinking, ‘We’re getting Brunson as a franchise guy?’ No.”

Caseloads wrote:I'm not sure Zion is the guy to lead a team anywhere. They are playing just fine without Zion in NO

But the marker for that just isn't doing OK in a first round against an opponent who also has one of their best players out. It's the next rounds.

Dallas doesnt want to help us acquire Brunson.... weird!

fishmike wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033868-jalen-brunson-rumors-mavs-wont-cooperate-in-sign-and-trade-knicks-pistons-linked

Dallas doesnt want to help us acquire Brunson.... weird!

I’ve been saying all along Cuban is going to resign Brunson. That’s fine I’d rather just trade Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie and keep Mitch. Brogdon is another option

TPercy wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033868-jalen-brunson-rumors-mavs-wont-cooperate-in-sign-and-trade-knicks-pistons-linked

Dallas doesnt want to help us acquire Brunson.... weird!

I’ve been saying all along Cuban is going to resign Brunson. That’s fine I’d rather just trade Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie and keep Mitch. Brogdon is another option

Ewwwwww Dinwiddie is buns

Of course Dallas is going to say they won’t cooperate in a S&T. Has any team ever come out and said- yes, we will help you get paid elsewhere. How often are these deals worked out as a FA signing and then they turn into S&Ts. If Brunson goes to Dallas and says I am leaving, but if you want to get value back, like your own draft pick and maybe some players with NBA talent, then here is a S&T deal with the Knicks- are they going to say, nah, good luck or will they like any franchise that tries to maximize value going to do that deal?

franco12 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033868-jalen-brunson-rumors-mavs-wont-cooperate-in-sign-and-trade-knicks-pistons-linked

Dallas doesnt want to help us acquire Brunson.... weird!

I’ve been saying all along Cuban is going to resign Brunson. That’s fine I’d rather just trade Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie and keep Mitch. Brogdon is another option

Ewwwwww Dinwiddie is buns

Of course Dallas is going to say they won’t cooperate in a S&T. Has any team ever come out and said- yes, we will help you get paid elsewhere. How often are these deals worked out as a FA signing and then they turn into S&Ts. If Brunson goes to Dallas and says I am leaving, but if you want to get value back, like your own draft pick and maybe some players with NBA talent, then here is a S&T deal with the Knicks- are they going to say, nah, good luck or will they like any franchise that tries to maximize value going to do that deal?

Very true. Dallas posture is to raise the price of what that would take. Smart.
We passed on Dinwiddie last year. Why would we want him this year? with incentives (>50 games played) his cap hit is about 20mil per.

We signed Fornier, he was not coming off an acl, and played his role. I know some of you don’t like Evan but I think we got reasonable value for what knicks paid. After January, when he figured out his new team and they him, he played much better. Knicks have issues. Evan was not the major one.

Knicks Film School brings a good point up this morning on Brunson “Defensive liablity”.
he gets switched, he is toast. If he gets put where he has to defend a corner three, he is toast. He is not a bad defender, but he is limited by size and his stout build. Its why one might not want him defending in crunch time in a playoff series. If thats the case, you can’t pay a guy big. Im not sure thats right but its worth discussing. Lets be real, a good offense will find a weak link and take advantage of it.
This compounds the head scratching issue of Kemba. He at least has good lateral quickness (when he is ok) and he is/was able to break down defenses.

I never thought brunson was max. From what we read Dallas never really tried to resign him.

Dallas looks good. Utah not so. Teams need time to adjust to new coaching and roles. how much of it is KP made gone? Much to our delight it would appear so but it remains to be said. Dinwiddie has issues in DC. He seems better suited for the off the bench role with Dallas and he is there if Brunson walks. It was a clear sign too they were thinking Brunson goes by making that deal.

They lost patience with KP as well.

Money does not work as other pieces are needed:

Mitch to Charlotte (they need some cap to resign Bridges)
Haywood to Dallas
Brunson to Knicks…………

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033868-jalen-brunson-rumors-mavs-wont-cooperate-in-sign-and-trade-knicks-pistons-linked

Dallas doesnt want to help us acquire Brunson.... weird!

I’ve been saying all along Cuban is going to resign Brunson. That’s fine I’d rather just trade Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie and keep Mitch. Brogdon is another option

Ewwwwww Dinwiddie is buns

Of course Dallas is going to say they won’t cooperate in a S&T. Has any team ever come out and said- yes, we will help you get paid elsewhere. How often are these deals worked out as a FA signing and then they turn into S&Ts. If Brunson goes to Dallas and says I am leaving, but if you want to get value back, like your own draft pick and maybe some players with NBA talent, then here is a S&T deal with the Knicks- are they going to say, nah, good luck or will they like any franchise that tries to maximize value going to do that deal?

Very true. Dallas posture is to raise the price of what that would take. Smart.
We passed on Dinwiddie last year. Why would we want him this year? with incentives (>50 games played) his cap hit is about 20mil per.

We signed Fornier, he was not coming off an acl, and played his role. I know some of you don’t like Evan but I think we got reasonable value for what knicks paid. After January, when he figured out his new team and they him, he played much better. Knicks have issues. Evan was not the major one.

Knicks Film School brings a good point up this morning on Brunson “Defensive liablity”.
he gets switched, he is toast. If he gets put where he has to defend a corner three, he is toast. He is not a bad defender, but he is limited by size and his stout build. Its why one might not want him defending in crunch time in a playoff series. If thats the case, you can’t pay a guy big. Im not sure thats right but its worth discussing. Lets be real, a good offense will find a weak link and take advantage of it.
This compounds the head scratching issue of Kemba. He at least has good lateral quickness (when he is ok) and he is/was able to break down defenses.

I never thought brunson was max. From what we read Dallas never really tried to resign him.

Dallas looks good. Utah not so. Teams need time to adjust to new coaching and roles. how much of it is KP made gone? Much to our delight it would appear so but it remains to be said. Dinwiddie has issues in DC. He seems better suited for the off the bench role with Dallas and he is there if Brunson walks. It was a clear sign too they were thinking Brunson goes by making that deal.

They lost patience with KP as well.

Money does not work as other pieces are needed:

Mitch to Charlotte (they need some cap to resign Bridges)
Haywood to Dallas
Brunson to Knicks…………

the bold... everyone here who's drooling over Brunson is in utter denial over this.

Fournier isnt a good defender but at least he's got size and it matters and shows. He's good enough to hide and work around. Playing Brunson/Fournier together is just such a non starter.

Luka is not a great defender. He plays with Brunson well enough. Bullock,we know is a good defender. I can’t vouch for Finney-Smith. “Non starter” might be a bit strong but a worthy topic for all to consider.
No doubt Brunson outplayed his draft status and perhaps was Dallas was willing to pay. Did they feel strongly that at certain price point he is not worth it? They are not knicks. If Brunson can unlock a chemistry with our parts he brings intangable value.

franco12 wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033868-jalen-brunson-rumors-mavs-wont-cooperate-in-sign-and-trade-knicks-pistons-linked

Dallas doesnt want to help us acquire Brunson.... weird!

I’ve been saying all along Cuban is going to resign Brunson. That’s fine I’d rather just trade Burks and Noel for Dinwiddie and keep Mitch. Brogdon is another option

Ewwwwww Dinwiddie is buns

Of course Dallas is going to say they won’t cooperate in a S&T. Has any team ever come out and said- yes, we will help you get paid elsewhere. How often are these deals worked out as a FA signing and then they turn into S&Ts. If Brunson goes to Dallas and says I am leaving, but if you want to get value back, like your own draft pick and maybe some players with NBA talent, then here is a S&T deal with the Knicks- are they going to say, nah, good luck or will they like any franchise that tries to maximize value going to do that deal?

Generally this is true but I think it's the wrong call here. Luka's contract extension kicks in next season and Dallas will already be deep in the luxury tax at 150 million in guarantees. So if they do a sign and trade for Randle say, they will actually be paying out 40 million for the privilege. That means they will want high value contracts- guys that are actually worth twice their salary. Only IQ and Grimes fit the bill and then we go back to the ridiculous but realistic trade proposals of IQ Grimes RJ and Obi for Brunson. No one here wants that.