Knicks issues begin up in front office
same that has been the last 4 decades.

NO longer a Dolan main issue, Ny has not found
the brain whom builds a pro NBA Team!

Simply said.
There's NO NBA Respect 😕 for Knickerbockers
nor is the franchise capable to attract talents
to NY or draft properly.

Need to build a team to be successful, may not happen in my lifetime.

At least got opportunity to be part of
two (2) Knicks NBA Titles in life as fan.

That's long time ago 1970 & 1973 and sums it up
Philc1

DJMUSIC wrote:NO longer a Dolan main issue, Ny has not found
the brain whom builds a pro NBA Team!

Brock Aller is a good young well respected front office talent.

Dolan should have just hired him as GM and got out of the way. Troy Weaver was sitting out there for a while and the Knicks could have had him on multiple occasions before his opportunity in Detroit. Rich Cho could have easily been hired as GM at multiple points and his scouting is what's making a killing for the Grizzlies deep in the draft and in UDFA.

I'm not saying there is all bad to Leon Rose, he certainly brings a certain amount of established relationships that did open some doors. But you can't have competing visions for a team in the front office. There is clearly one set of moves ( Aller moves, which are built towards asset management, stockpiling draft picks, trying to mine value in the 2nd round) and then other less desirable sets of moves ( Rose moves, which include drafting Toppin and overpaying fringe veterans on Middle Class Contracts, etc, etc)

Dolan is an idiot. He needed to hire an outside firm to explore the Knicks franchise to tell him to stop trading off all his first round draft picks. Duh. He could have gotten that **** for free. He could have stopped in some gas station in Staten Island and some teenage clerk could have told him that ground breaking revelation over a couple of Gatorades and some Ding Dongs.

Who gives a **** about a "brand name" executive? Find a guy who can give you a long term future who was trained for the job on a winning franchise and has some analytics background.

Think about it this way, I've been posting on UK for over a decade now, and I'm not even a hard core basketball guy. My bread and butter is football. I love the Knicks and I understand the nuances of how sports management and personnel management works, but I'm not in the basketball trenches 365/24/7 and even if Dolan just did what I said for 10 years, without any pay, just following my posts, the Knicks would be in a far better position now.

This is where the Knicks have problems. Some intern in an NHL franchise front office probably has a better clue to certain sports management modern nuances that have clearly passed Phil Jackson and Leon Rose by for a long time now.

Rose has done better than Jackson ( how hard is that exactly?) but you can see the fractures of someone clueless to the modern Space And Pace style game.

So what if Brock Aller is the Kirkland Signature version of a long term GM. Or the Great Value version. Or the Safeway Select variant. Who gives a ****. The kid is talented. Give the keys and then put him to work and let him figure how to help you win.

ramtour420 wrote:It doesn't solve issues, but it does solve one issue. It solves an issue of our starting PF spot being taken up by a guy who gets his stats to the detriment of the team. Iso plays that lock out others, and I am talking low percentage midrange shots. The absolute worst kind. Did I mention poor D? How about 🐌 like pace? Not running back on D? Arguing with refs? Mentally weak.... Do I need to continue? We were played. Bamboozled. If we didn't have a better long term option in Obi we would have been in a sad situation.

btw happy 420 bro

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Knicks hired McKinsey and subsequently fired Grunwald but stopped Starphuching.
Phil was here 4 years? Had two first rounders?
but phil stopped trading picks.
Last year was the anomaly but it was a hell of a year.
Roster is deep, young, and not great.
KP set us back. We all said it. Dennis smith set us back. Frank and Knox did not pan out. All that is gone. Leon is here two seasons now. Thibs was COY and Randle looked like a god send last year. Improve on that and you got good contract value. he is paid like a top 50 talent. Getting rid of him does not solve the issues. But put that aside. Lets say there is a path for him to return some where halfway between this and last season. Not far fetched. WIth his trade kicker, lets assume he is not going anywhere quite yet.
Evan looked very good after january. Not every night. The 3-13 stretch was a bad look. When things are going bad fans call for change. Thibs is wired to win games. Its kind of weird that playing the kids worked as it did. He had little choice.
But these were his kids. Like I said, weird!

It doesn't solve issues, but it does solve one issue. It solves an issue of our starting PF spot being taken up by a guy who gets his stats to the detriment of the team. Iso plays that lock out others, and I am talking low percentage midrange shots. The absolute worst kind. Did I mention poor D? How about 🐌 like pace? Not running back on D? Arguing with refs? Mentally weak.... Do I need to continue? We were played. Bamboozled. If we didn't have a better long term option in Obi we would have been in a sad situation.

There are many videos of him distracted on defense. Many were he played good defense too.
Its. Your view. I respect it. Your assuming Obi or another can fill that void better. Perhaps that can materialize.
The issues with Randle appeared to be either he was no in “Contract season mode” or something between the ears was not right.

Your reactioning to what happend on the court. Im asking why. I saw what happend. Im more inclined/curious to what is the cause and how can it be fixed than extract and assume change improves. Both scenarios are possible and perhaps he wants out. NY is tough place to play. He was the toast of the town and then it went wrong.
Its all about going forward from here. Its gonna be interesting.

Nalod wrote:
Also, if randle is so bad on defense, why is he amung league leaders in defensive rating? Second to Giannis at PF.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-best-defensive-rating-in-2022

Im not here to defend him to the end. Just to say maybe we over reacting to the optics and parrot the popular narrative a bit too much? Mabye?

Nalod take? If he can't fix his attitude, and the Knicks can't get him chemistry more comfortable then trade him. I saw lapses, I saw some bad optics but I did not see in the whole season his lowlight youtube real as the whole season. He did not make allstar team nor be our best player leading to a good record.

Analytics need to be paired with the eye test. The Grizzlies analytics are run by Rich Cho and they process through more game film than several other teams combined. There's a reason they've hit and hit well in the 2nd round and late in the draft and in UDFA.

Defensive Rating has a hard bias that favors those who get a lot of defensive rebounds. Rebounds aren't a value statistic in the moder Space And Pace style game. More teams are understanding there is more value to concede the rebound and get back quickly into an advantageous defensive set. This reduces the number of transition opportunities you give other teams.

Blocks are overvalued and blocks don't really show the push/pull of actual rim protection. And there is usually an inverse relationship between high rebounding numbers and effective rim protection. Steals are a counting stat that don't tell the tale about if that player punished their team defense every time they gambled for a steal. A true game flow steal like you'd get from Tony Allen is different than Kobe Bryant going for stat padding while burning the rest of his team defense.

Randle played like a complete and total ******* this year. If fans hate him for this past season, he brought all that **** on himself. The excuse making I see some people make here for him is actually pretty tragic. Everything Randle did this past season was say "I don't want to be here, **** all of you, **** the fans, **** my team, I got paid and you mother ****ers can't do a damn thing about it"

You know what? Fuck him. You don't want to be a Knick, then GTFO. I want players who want to be here and love this team and show it with their actions. I'm tired of hearing what the Knicks need to do more to accommodate this diva bull**** that Randle is pulling. You are being paid like a team leader. You said you wanted to be a team leader. You agreed to be the team's leader when you signed that deal. So do your mother ****ing job.

Randle quit on this team. So if he's traded, there is no "giving up on him" He quit long before any instance of getting the boot. If you don't want to be traded and you don't want fans crawling up your ass, do your mother ****ing job.

Run back on defense. Do it consistently. How hard is that? Seriously, how damn hard is that? Close out shooters. Get in their face and get your hands in the air. How hard is that? Don't stand around like an *******, if the ball isn't in your hands, move off the ball with a purpose. If you aren't happy with the looks you are getting, put in the work to create better looks for your teammates to open up the floor to create better looks for yourself. How hard is that?

No one is asking Randle to be Larry Bird. But act like a professional that isn't constantly ****ting on the fans loyalty by strolling along without any purpose nor passion.

Act like a bitch. Get treated like a bitch.

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Also, if randle is so bad on defense, why is he amung league leaders in defensive rating? Second to Giannis at PF.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-best-defensive-rating-in-2022

Im not here to defend him to the end. Just to say maybe we over reacting to the optics and parrot the popular narrative a bit too much? Mabye?

Nalod take? If he can't fix his attitude, and the Knicks can't get him chemistry more comfortable then trade him. I saw lapses, I saw some bad optics but I did not see in the whole season his lowlight youtube real as the whole season. He did not make allstar team nor be our best player leading to a good record.

Analytics need to be paired with the eye test. The Grizzlies analytics are run by Rich Cho and they process through more game film than several other teams combined. There's a reason they've hit and hit well in the 2nd round and late in the draft and in UDFA.

Defensive Rating has a hard bias that favors those who get a lot of defensive rebounds. Rebounds aren't a value statistic in the moder Space And Pace style game. More teams are understanding there is more value to concede the rebound and get back quickly into an advantageous defensive set. This reduces the number of transition opportunities you give other teams.

Blocks are overvalued and blocks don't really show the push/pull of actual rim protection. And there is usually an inverse relationship between high rebounding numbers and effective rim protection. Steals are a counting stat that don't tell the tale about if that player punished their team defense every time they gambled for a steal. A true game flow steal like you'd get from Tony Allen is different than Kobe Bryant going for stat padding while burning the rest of his team defense.

Randle played like a complete and total ******* this year. If fans hate him for this past season, he brought all that **** on himself. The excuse making I see some people make here for him is actually pretty tragic. Everything Randle did this past season was say "I don't want to be here, **** all of you, **** the fans, **** my team, I got paid and you mother ****ers can't do a damn thing about it"

You know what? Fuck him. You don't want to be a Knick, then GTFO. I want players who want to be here and love this team and show it with their actions. I'm tired of hearing what the Knicks need to do more to accommodate this diva bull**** that Randle is pulling. You are being paid like a team leader. You said you wanted to be a team leader. You agreed to be the team's leader when you signed that deal. So do your mother ****ing job.

Randle quit on this team. So if he's traded, there is no "giving up on him" He quit long before any instance of getting the boot. If you don't want to be traded and you don't want fans crawling up your ass, do your mother ****ing job.

Run back on defense. Do it consistently. How hard is that? Seriously, how damn hard is that? Close out shooters. Get in their face and get your hands in the air. How hard is that? Don't stand around like an *******, if the ball isn't in your hands, move off the ball with a purpose. If you aren't happy with the looks you are getting, put in the work to create better looks for your teammates to open up the floor to create better looks for yourself. How hard is that?

No one is asking Randle to be Larry Bird. But act like a professional that isn't constantly ****ting on the fans loyalty by strolling along without any purpose nor passion.

Act like a bitch. Get treated like a bitch.

TT i gotta agree with you. i felt that watching randle this year as well.

contrast it what what i felt when obi was on the court. sure he's like an overeager puppy out there sometimes with some awkward mistakes, but man he's showing love of the game, love of teammates, crazy energy and the joy of getting to participate and giving his all. those last couple of games of the season his presence was so infectious and he seemed to lift the spirit of every teammate. that's exactly what i want to see.

TripleThreat wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Also, if randle is so bad on defense, why is he amung league leaders in defensive rating? Second to Giannis at PF.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-best-defensive-rating-in-2022

Im not here to defend him to the end. Just to say maybe we over reacting to the optics and parrot the popular narrative a bit too much? Mabye?

Nalod take? If he can't fix his attitude, and the Knicks can't get him chemistry more comfortable then trade him. I saw lapses, I saw some bad optics but I did not see in the whole season his lowlight youtube real as the whole season. He did not make allstar team nor be our best player leading to a good record.

Analytics need to be paired with the eye test. The Grizzlies analytics are run by Rich Cho and they process through more game film than several other teams combined. There's a reason they've hit and hit well in the 2nd round and late in the draft and in UDFA.

Defensive Rating has a hard bias that favors those who get a lot of defensive rebounds. Rebounds aren't a value statistic in the moder Space And Pace style game. More teams are understanding there is more value to concede the rebound and get back quickly into an advantageous defensive set. This reduces the number of transition opportunities you give other teams.

Blocks are overvalued and blocks don't really show the push/pull of actual rim protection. And there is usually an inverse relationship between high rebounding numbers and effective rim protection. Steals are a counting stat that don't tell the tale about if that player punished their team defense every time they gambled for a steal. A true game flow steal like you'd get from Tony Allen is different than Kobe Bryant going for stat padding while burning the rest of his team defense.

Randle played like a complete and total ******* this year. If fans hate him for this past season, he brought all that **** on himself. The excuse making I see some people make here for him is actually pretty tragic. Everything Randle did this past season was say "I don't want to be here, **** all of you, **** the fans, **** my team, I got paid and you mother ****ers can't do a damn thing about it"

You know what? Fuck him. You don't want to be a Knick, then GTFO. I want players who want to be here and love this team and show it with their actions. I'm tired of hearing what the Knicks need to do more to accommodate this diva bull**** that Randle is pulling. You are being paid like a team leader. You said you wanted to be a team leader. You agreed to be the team's leader when you signed that deal. So do your mother ****ing job.

Randle quit on this team. So if he's traded, there is no "giving up on him" He quit long before any instance of getting the boot. If you don't want to be traded and you don't want fans crawling up your ass, do your mother ****ing job.

Run back on defense. Do it consistently. How hard is that? Seriously, how damn hard is that? Close out shooters. Get in their face and get your hands in the air. How hard is that? Don't stand around like an *******, if the ball isn't in your hands, move off the ball with a purpose. If you aren't happy with the looks you are getting, put in the work to create better looks for your teammates to open up the floor to create better looks for yourself. How hard is that?

No one is asking Randle to be Larry Bird. But act like a professional that isn't constantly ****ting on the fans loyalty by strolling along without any purpose nor passion.

Act like a bitch. Get treated like a bitch.

I get all this. Is he a bitch all game? every game? Don't give a **** all game, every game?
My point is not he is in infallible to the criticisms, he is. Just to what degree?
This week we learn Thibs had been working with the kids before every practice. Seems like this is frequently assigned to assistants. Thibs is known as a crazy hard worker.