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4/10/2022  9:22 AM
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It’s not hyperbole to say Illinois’ 2022-23 season changes on what center Kofi Cockburn decides this month. Here are four items to know about Cockburn and the NBA draft, via beat writer SCOTT RICHEY:

Final deadline

Cockburn, like all college and international basketball players, has until end of day on April 24 to declare for the 2022 NBA draft. Cockburn tested the NBA draft waters in 2020 and 2021 before opting to return to Illinois. The difference this year is his draft decision is final. “I think Kofi’s always in that mode of gathering information,” Illinois coach Brad Underwood said last week on the Field of 68 podcast. “It’s a different game in the NBA. ... He’s got to make a choice. This will be his third time entering, and he can’t come back if he does make that choice.”


Draft chances

Cockburn’s name doesn’t appear on many mock drafts ahead of the June 23 draft. None of note, actually. The most positive ranking of Cockburn’s draft chances probably belongs to The Athletic’s Sam Vecenie, who has the Illinois center ranked as the No. 66 prospect on his draft board. The main issue with that is this year’s draft will last just 58 picks after the Chicago Bulls and Miami Heat had to forfeit a second-round pick apiece for violating the NBA’s tampering rules in the pursuit of free agent guards Lonzo Ball and Kyle Lowry, respectively.

A different NBA

The NBA doesn’t value physically dominant post players anymore. The next three players Vecenie has ranked after Cockburn? Gonzaga’s Drew Timme (6-10, 235), Purdue’s Zach Edey (7-4, 295) and Fresno State’s Orlando Robinson (7-0, 235). Just three 7-footers were selected in the 2021 draft, and only second-round pick Neemias Queta, who has spent the majority of his rookie season in the G League, would be considered a traditional center like Cockburn. The other 7-footers selected were Evan Mobley at No. 3 and Balša Koprivica in the second round.

What a return means

Cockburn has little left to prove at the college level. He’s one of the best players in the game, and that won’t change next season. What Cockburn can do is cement his legacy as one of the best players ever at Illinois. Another year at his 2021-22 production levels would make Cockburn the Illini’s all-time leading scorer (he’s at 1,546 career points and needs 584 points to top Deon Thomas’ record of 2,129 points) and rebounder (he’s at 861 career rebounds and needs 163 rebounds to top James Augustine’s standard of 1,023 rebounds).

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4/10/2022  9:52 AM
Weird that 7 footers like Orlando Robinson don’t have a role in today’s game
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4/10/2022  9:55 AM
Coaches like D'Antoni and analytics ruined them.
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4/10/2022  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/10/2022  11:44 AM
So let me get this straight, 7 footers are not valuable in the league but we're going to lose Mitch because someone is going to pay him too much?
Do we live in a world of contractions or what?
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4/10/2022  10:27 AM
Panos wrote:So let me get this straight, 7 footers are not valuable in the league but we're going to lose Mitch because sometime is going to pay him too much?
Do we live in a world of contractions or what?

Yeah!! I'll add that a 7 footer in today's game needs to be able to hit a shot from somewhere other than the paint. Or pass or both. Or at least free throws.

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4/10/2022  10:37 AM
SergioNYK wrote:Coaches like D'Antoni and analytics ruined them.

That is absolutely not true. Amare was a center at 6’10 he used Capela in his system I wouldn’t say he didn’t use centers. He need a particular type of center that can face the basket rather than post a pick and roll center.

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4/10/2022  10:58 AM
Vmart wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:Coaches like D'Antoni and analytics ruined them.

That is absolutely not true. Amare was a center at 6’10 he used Capela in his system I wouldn’t say he didn’t use centers. He need a particular type of center that can face the basket rather than post a pick and roll center.

Centers play close to the basket. 2 pointers are less valuable than 3 pointers

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4/10/2022  11:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/10/2022  11:13 AM
*Cough* Joel Emblid *cough cough*

I woulda coughed Jokic too but sigh he is 6' 11". But was the 41st pick btw -- for the tank babies....

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4/10/2022  11:08 AM
I think a lot of it has to do with player development too. thinner, big agile guys with passing and range are important. plodding centers are not.
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4/10/2022  11:34 AM
There was a period where centers were devoid of talent. Think Deandre Jordan, Tyson Chandler and Eddie Curry, Right now Mitch might be considered in that category. Right now we have a resurgent of the big man with skills in Embiid, Towns, Davis and Jokic. Still a lot of no skill centers out there.
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4/10/2022  2:22 PM
Excellent topic for discussion caseloads

This year is a good year if you want a 7 footer. I DO NOT see ANYONE in the top 10 in terms of the center position worthy of using a pick on however but pick 42-43 different story

Robinson
Cockburn
Dickinson
Koloko

Will likely be available with pick 42-43 --each one in their own rights a lottery pick 20-25 years ago. Each has different skills thinking Koloko is most likely the thibs guy

Kessler and Williams more likely in rd 1

Theres only 58 picks so some players will fall right out. But like weve seen with Sims GOOD value in 2nd rd with Center---I personally like centers and there is always avenues to use them. It will be interesting to see who in the nBA can guard Cockburn down low 1-1. But all these guys have their own individual skills 20 point centers falling to rd 2 and out. Wh wouldve thought?

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4/11/2022  7:19 AM
This change in the nba started a while back. Not exactly sure when but I remember saying on this forums years ago, PGs and Centers will be obsolete. They are now called combo guards, wings and forwards. Not sure when it will swing back the other way. Need a superstar PG or center is change the game back to what it used to be. But for now, if you can’t score in iso plays, your value seems to drop. Should be a good thing for us. There will be some good players available towards the middle of the draft. All the high potential tweeners will be picked early on.
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4/11/2022  7:53 AM
I think this is about spacing. Mitch has value on the defense because he can switch out on the perimeter and stay with their switch. Shack and Cockburn probably would not have been able to do that.


On the offensive side - the way all teams seem to play is perimeter, switching from side to side. I don't know that you can play inside out and get the kind of open looks at the 3 pt- hence why that traditional center has gone away.

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4/11/2022  8:09 AM
7fters have more skills then low post power in days gone. We get Bargs, BroPez, Chandler, and they have range. Next gen of Jokic, Embiid, Vooch can pass and have some handle.
These are unicorns, but they break. KP and Markkenen are typial too. High skill tall dudes that are Fragile.
The Fat guys can’t stick. Pace is faster now.

True there are fewer tru PG. They are “Great players/playmakers”. And yes, you need iso guys that are “unstoppable”.

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4/11/2022  8:15 AM
You know what I think it is? Shitty lazy coaching through out the sport. Tech these guys how to dribble, catch and shoot. Anyone I’ve ever played with that approaches that height was pretty much just coached to “hang out over there”
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4/11/2022  8:35 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:You know what I think it is? Shitty lazy coaching through out the sport. Tech these guys how to dribble, catch and shoot. Anyone I’ve ever played with that approaches that height was pretty much just coached to “hang out over there”

Maybe. Seems they are cloging up the lane. think of all the players in the world and if lucky 1% make it to an NBA roster. Your not inccorrect and the influx if international players now dominate the big man era.
Jokic, Embiid and Giannis! They all have different back grounds and base talents.
Dirk was never athletic and had to work his ass off to stay on the court as he did.

Chet Holdgrem is the next up unicorn.

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4/11/2022  9:07 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:You know what I think it is? Shitty lazy coaching through out the sport. Tech these guys how to dribble, catch and shoot. Anyone I’ve ever played with that approaches that height was pretty much just coached to “hang out over there”

That's part of it, but the major thing is that it's hard to find guys with the size and lateral quickness to keep up. I remember that one OKC playoff series where Billy Donovan sat Enes Kanter, who we all agree is a beast in the low post, because it was just too easy to and advantageous switch of the PnR. Look at Ryan Anderson, a skilled 6'10" PF who averaged close to 20 ppg one minute, then became a POS on the court almost overnight. Teams are really geared into attacking the weak leaks on defense and bigs become a major liability if they don't understand the basic concepts of defensive rotations.

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4/11/2022  9:18 AM
Rudy Gobert is 7’1. But I guess he’s not “valuable”
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4/28/2022  6:33 AM
Philc1 wrote:Rudy Gobert is 7’1. But I guess he’s not “valuable”

less so during the playoffs it seems
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4/28/2022  6:55 AM
I keep reading this thread title as:
"Why are 76ers not valuable anymore?"

Cuz they in Philly?

Why are 7fters not valuable anymore??

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