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EwingsGlass
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4/4/2022  1:33 PM
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/mo-bamba-vs-mitchell-robinson-stats

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/mitchell-robinson-vs-mo-bamba-stats

This year, Robinson seems to have gotten the better of Mo Bamba in their matchups based only on +/-. That said, Orlando won 3 out of 4 overall. Not a lot to take from this, but Mo Bamba has been on my radar as a RFA that we might be looking at this coming offseason. Watching them play last night, I though Robinson was the more aggressive of the two and seemed to outplay Bamba. Bamba was able to pull Robinson out to the 3pt line on a number of occasions that were noticeable.

I think the Knicks need to sign Robinson. He got a lot more action with the youth's ball movement. I'd love to get Bamba under contract also, but could see him needing some better guidance on his defense.

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4/4/2022  4:50 PM
Mo bamba fills needs of the team better Robinson, especially if Noel is healthy next year.

I wonder which is going to get more in free agency. But I would prefer Bamba. We need a stretch big in the WORSE way.

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4/4/2022  5:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/4/2022  5:10 PM
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Mo bamba fills needs of the team better Robinson, especially if Noel is healthy next year.

I wonder which is going to get more in free agency. But I would prefer Bamba. We need a stretch big in the WORSE way.

What are those needs and what needs do Mitch bring?

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Panos
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4/4/2022  8:03 PM
martin wrote:
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Mo bamba fills needs of the team better Robinson, especially if Noel is healthy next year.

I wonder which is going to get more in free agency. But I would prefer Bamba. We need a stretch big in the WORSE way.

What are those needs and what needs do Mitch bring?

Interesting question.
Here's another one: what needs will the team have once Mitch signs with another team?

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4/4/2022  8:11 PM
Panos wrote:
martin wrote:
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Mo bamba fills needs of the team better Robinson, especially if Noel is healthy next year.

I wonder which is going to get more in free agency. But I would prefer Bamba. We need a stretch big in the WORSE way.

What are those needs and what needs do Mitch bring?

Interesting question.
Here's another one: what needs will the team have once Mitch signs with another team?

Probably need a healthy center.

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4/4/2022  9:20 PM
Im not sure about Bamba's contract situation, i heard his cap hold with the magic is pretty substantial. I want to resign Mitch, he has shown improvements maybe his outside shooting can develop. His rim protection and offensive rebounding will be a huge loss to the team. If the FO do plan to let him walk, is there a way to swap centers at the contract price both teams want their centers at? If the knicks get Bamba they would have rim protection and floor spacing but will loose offensive rebounding.
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4/4/2022  9:37 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:Im not sure about Bamba's contract situation, i heard his cap hold with the magic is pretty substantial. I want to resign Mitch, he has shown improvements maybe his outside shooting can develop. His rim protection and offensive rebounding will be a huge loss to the team. If the FO do plan to let him walk, is there a way to swap centers at the contract price both teams want their centers at? If the knicks get Bamba they would have rim protection and floor spacing but will loose offensive rebounding.

Bamba’s is 22mm. That only matters if they are trying to sign other free agents.

I’m all for re-signing Mitch first. But if we moved Noel, I’d be happy with Bamba growing with the team also. A little bit of a different look but that 7’10 wingspan is attractive.

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4/5/2022  8:52 AM
only problem with this is Bamba kinda sucks, where as Mitch is pretty good.... so there's that
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4/5/2022  10:03 AM
Mo Bamba got back up written all over him for now. I hate projecting 22 year olds but he had his time to get paid and he is not showing enough. Can’t say what they have planed for him but I’d let mitch walk, take Bamba at two years-8-10 mil and see if he can elevate as a back up. I start Norlens. Sims will get run because Norlens will break.
If I draft a center at the 12 pick, even if servicable I manage my cap and kick the can down the road a bit again with Norlens starting but the idea is Rookie or Simm’s takes the minutes over time.
If Detroit wants to pay Mitch 20 mil for years or he walks. This is not in our control BTW.

Remember the blueprint was Mitch next to KP. Mitch next to randle is not awful fundamentally either. Its just not convincing that they are paired long term without a suitable alternative. Fans are not equipped to paint this. We are limited in our thinking.

MY point? Open your minds to other considerations. sorry I can’t paint too many more.

Does Jonathon Issac ever return to the court? Or does god have other plans for him. LIke he gets to sit and make Millions and do the lords work? Was Jalen Suggs over rated and march maddness again create a false prophet?

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4/5/2022  11:53 AM
Nalod wrote:Mo Bamba got back up written all over him for now. I hate projecting 22 year olds but he had his time to get paid and he is not showing enough. Can’t say what they have planed for him but I’d let mitch walk, take Bamba at two years-8-10 mil and see if he can elevate as a back up. I start Norlens. Sims will get run because Norlens will break.
If I draft a center at the 12 pick, even if servicable I manage my cap and kick the can down the road a bit again with Norlens starting but the idea is Rookie or Simm’s takes the minutes over time.
If Detroit wants to pay Mitch 20 mil for years or he walks. This is not in our control BTW.

Remember the blueprint was Mitch next to KP. Mitch next to randle is not awful fundamentally either. Its just not convincing that they are paired long term without a suitable alternative. Fans are not equipped to paint this. We are limited in our thinking.

MY point? Open your minds to other considerations. sorry I can’t paint too many more.

Does Jonathon Issac ever return to the court? Or does god have other plans for him. LIke he gets to sit and make Millions and do the lords work? Was Jalen Suggs over rated and march maddness again create a false prophet?

A little unfair in the analysis. I think if you look at Centers in the league generally you will find that the most dominant are 27 years old +. I think there is something real about 'man strength' as well as certain training that they don't get in College - the strength and footwork needed to control the block at the NBA level. At 24, Mitch is just coming into his strength based game. I am not saying Bamba can't get there, but you are probably still going to be developing his strength and footwork for a couple more years.

I think Robinson is the real deal. A younger Gobert in the making. I can see him being unhappy, frozen out of the offense. Gotta get the guy more touches. More looks. A summer with Olajuwon. Robinson's a keeper. Honestly, I like Bamba behind him for a few years and then let them fight it out for starter.

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4/5/2022  12:39 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Nalod wrote:Mo Bamba got back up written all over him for now. I hate projecting 22 year olds but he had his time to get paid and he is not showing enough. Can’t say what they have planed for him but I’d let mitch walk, take Bamba at two years-8-10 mil and see if he can elevate as a back up. I start Norlens. Sims will get run because Norlens will break.
If I draft a center at the 12 pick, even if servicable I manage my cap and kick the can down the road a bit again with Norlens starting but the idea is Rookie or Simm’s takes the minutes over time.
If Detroit wants to pay Mitch 20 mil for years or he walks. This is not in our control BTW.

Remember the blueprint was Mitch next to KP. Mitch next to randle is not awful fundamentally either. Its just not convincing that they are paired long term without a suitable alternative. Fans are not equipped to paint this. We are limited in our thinking.

MY point? Open your minds to other considerations. sorry I can’t paint too many more.

Does Jonathon Issac ever return to the court? Or does god have other plans for him. LIke he gets to sit and make Millions and do the lords work? Was Jalen Suggs over rated and march maddness again create a false prophet?

A little unfair in the analysis. I think if you look at Centers in the league generally you will find that the most dominant are 27 years old +. I think there is something real about 'man strength' as well as certain training that they don't get in College - the strength and footwork needed to control the block at the NBA level. At 24, Mitch is just coming into his strength based game. I am not saying Bamba can't get there, but you are probably still going to be developing his strength and footwork for a couple more years.

I think Robinson is the real deal. A younger Gobert in the making. I can see him being unhappy, frozen out of the offense. Gotta get the guy more touches. More looks. A summer with Olajuwon. Robinson's a keeper. Honestly, I like Bamba behind him for a few years and then let them fight it out for starter.

you make good points. The Gobert thing is not out of line. As for being “frozen out” and unhappy about it is more under Fiz than it was with Thibs (his verbal displeasure) and seemingly the tweets have stopped for some time now.
Perhaps at the end of the day its going to boil down to price. Who pays him and how much. After 4 years he is not a prospect. He should get paid his worth. Not paid for being rudy whom he not there yet.
I think Hakeem is on payroll for Rockets and not doing tutoring?

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4/5/2022  1:21 PM
Nalod wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Nalod wrote:Mo Bamba got back up written all over him for now. I hate projecting 22 year olds but he had his time to get paid and he is not showing enough. Can’t say what they have planed for him but I’d let mitch walk, take Bamba at two years-8-10 mil and see if he can elevate as a back up. I start Norlens. Sims will get run because Norlens will break.
If I draft a center at the 12 pick, even if servicable I manage my cap and kick the can down the road a bit again with Norlens starting but the idea is Rookie or Simm’s takes the minutes over time.
If Detroit wants to pay Mitch 20 mil for years or he walks. This is not in our control BTW.

Remember the blueprint was Mitch next to KP. Mitch next to randle is not awful fundamentally either. Its just not convincing that they are paired long term without a suitable alternative. Fans are not equipped to paint this. We are limited in our thinking.

MY point? Open your minds to other considerations. sorry I can’t paint too many more.

Does Jonathon Issac ever return to the court? Or does god have other plans for him. LIke he gets to sit and make Millions and do the lords work? Was Jalen Suggs over rated and march maddness again create a false prophet?

A little unfair in the analysis. I think if you look at Centers in the league generally you will find that the most dominant are 27 years old +. I think there is something real about 'man strength' as well as certain training that they don't get in College - the strength and footwork needed to control the block at the NBA level. At 24, Mitch is just coming into his strength based game. I am not saying Bamba can't get there, but you are probably still going to be developing his strength and footwork for a couple more years.

I think Robinson is the real deal. A younger Gobert in the making. I can see him being unhappy, frozen out of the offense. Gotta get the guy more touches. More looks. A summer with Olajuwon. Robinson's a keeper. Honestly, I like Bamba behind him for a few years and then let them fight it out for starter.

you make good points. The Gobert thing is not out of line. As for being “frozen out” and unhappy about it is more under Fiz than it was with Thibs (his verbal displeasure) and seemingly the tweets have stopped for some time now.
Perhaps at the end of the day its going to boil down to price. Who pays him and how much. After 4 years he is not a prospect. He should get paid his worth. Not paid for being rudy whom he not there yet.
I think Hakeem is on payroll for Rockets and not doing tutoring?

Man, I assumed Hakeem is always available at the right price. Makes sense though.

Price is everything. I was at 13mm over the winter when that was his extension price. I don't think I am 20mm yet. I could stretch to 15m and give him the 5th year.

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4/5/2022  1:43 PM
Mitch is the better player obviously but I'm still not sure I'd be comfortable giving him a lot of money and locking into him long term. His durability is a huge liability and the Center position isn't a position you should heavily invest in unless you have a star at the position imho. And for some reason, I just don't trust Mitch. Got a bad feeling he will Hassan Whiteside-us.

Plus a S&T Mitch might be our best and most realistic and most expandable trade chip to acquire that much needed PG. And there will be Centers available around the 10th pick in this draft - Duren, Kessler, Mark Williams.

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4/5/2022  2:19 PM
Robinson leaves, Bamba sucks... Jericho Sims to the rescue! He's like Mitch, only alot cheaper and slightly younger!

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4/5/2022  2:46 PM
SergioNYK wrote:Mitch is the better player obviously but I'm still not sure I'd be comfortable giving him a lot of money and locking into him long term. His durability is a huge liability and the Center position isn't a position you should heavily invest in unless you have a star at the position imho. And for some reason, I just don't trust Mitch. Got a bad feeling he will Hassan Whiteside-us.

Plus a S&T Mitch might be our best and most realistic and most expandable trade chip to acquire that much needed PG. And there will be Centers available around the 10th pick in this draft - Duren, Kessler, Mark Williams.

Even if you draft one of those gentlemen, you still need 3-4 years to let them develop. Not a lot of guys are just coming in ready to perform from the Center position. Hard to find a recent center draft pick that was both healthy for a full season and effective before their fourth or fifth year. I think people are afraid to pay for the actuality that is Mitch Robinson vs the possibility that is a new young center. I think we have a guy reaching "maturity" and we are afraid to pay the man? Health concerns are real - but they are for all young big men.

Notwithstanding his health at the beginning of the season, Mitch played 72 games this year. That's 7th best in the league for most games played.

You think trading a mature center is the best way to obtain a point guard because the availability of big men in the draft? Isn't exactly the opposite true despite the lack of PGs in the top 10?

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4/5/2022  9:03 PM
Robinson and it's not even close. There's more ways than one to help with spacing. Everyone thinks it's about the 3-pt line but not true. If you have great hands and cancatch a lob or interior pass that helps with spacing tooas the center can't help out on the driver

what would you rather have someone who can finish a lob at an 80%+ clip (which I'm sure Mitch is at; damn his FG% itself is already close to that) or shoot a 3 at 40%? If you can't answer that, go back to school.

the only issue that should matter for us is price;

the real question is what to do with Noel

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4/5/2022  9:46 PM
Chandler wrote:Robinson and it's not even close. There's more ways than one to help with spacing. Everyone thinks it's about the 3-pt line but not true. If you have great hands and cancatch a lob or interior pass that helps with spacing tooas the center can't help out on the driver

what would you rather have someone who can finish a lob at an 80%+ clip (which I'm sure Mitch is at; damn his FG% itself is already close to that) or shoot a 3 at 40%? If you can't answer that, go back to school.

the only issue that should matter for us is price;

the real question is what to do with Noel

Noel = Dallas.

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4/6/2022  2:00 AM
Mitch is ****ing good.

We don’t have one player on the roster that’s an above average passer or play maker. Letting him walk because the coach never draws up plays for him, screens for him is very dangerous. He’s about to lead the league in FG% for the second time and is still unbelievably young.

He’s a trade asset that plenty of teams would love to get their hands on. Let’s say the Piston get the kid from Duke and sign Mitch. Another team immediately jumps the Knicks and we stink for another year. What does that solve?

Mitch is an impact player taken for granted because we don’t use him enough.

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4/6/2022  4:02 AM
Just resign mitch
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4/6/2022  4:03 AM
MS wrote:Mitch is ****ing good.

We don’t have one player on the roster that’s an above average passer or play maker. Letting him walk because the coach never draws up plays for him, screens for him is very dangerous. He’s about to lead the league in FG% for the second time and is still unbelievably young.

He’s a trade asset that plenty of teams would love to get their hands on. Let’s say the Piston get the kid from Duke and sign Mitch. Another team immediately jumps the Knicks and we stink for another year. What does that solve?

Mitch is an impact player taken for granted because we don’t use him enough.

Rose gives Randle a huge 4 year extension last summer meanwhile he’s letting Mitch walk this summer. Unreal.

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